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Crusiminator
Legionary
posted 23 October 2007 21:28 EDT (US)         
I read somewhere that people are sucessfully using them so i thought hey lets try them. I started like 3 attempts

1. Armenians took my attention and Egypts killed my capitol
2. Parthians destroyed all my armies
3. Egypts kept me busy and Pontus took out my cities next to capitol

I really like seleucids having a very good early game economy but its just not enough. Especially the parthians are incredible, i tried them myself and i have beaten 5 armies of seleucids without loosing a single unit - all you have to do is make cavalry archers - they either outrange crappy skirmishers and about slow hoplites i dont need to say anything. If im lucky and parthians stay in peace with me i get destroyed cause i cant mass units everyhwere but i usually get attacked from everywhere - armenians, pontus and egypt - at least 2 of those attack me

I really have no clue how to survive in the beginning(most difficult level at least)
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CaesarVincens
Legionary
posted 23 October 2007 21:41 EDT (US)     1 / 12       
One way to survive is to turtle, or stay defensive. Make plenty of militia pikemen; two of those can hold a wooden gate, or other breach, forever. Eventually, your economy and military will be able to overwhelm your enemies.

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loose_the_arrows
Legionary
posted 23 October 2007 22:03 EDT (US)     2 / 12       
I just recently have been playing a Seleucide campaign. The trick is to move fast. I pushed Parthia to their northern most settlement then moved through Armenia. I allied myself to Pontus and Greece and took my forces out Southern Asia Minor and took Salamais then landed them in the Nile Delta. By this time I had already takin Jeruselum as well and was pushing on the Egyptians from 2 directions. Greece was pushed out of Asia Minor and then Pontus betrayed me. The forces that took Armenia were already coming in to attack Pontus and I brought a crappy army up from Antioch and hit Pontus with 2 armies. Now Egypt, Pontus, and Armenia are all destroyed and Parthia has been forced to the north where they are fighting the Sycthians. I am neutral with both and have trade rights with both. Now I'm reorganizing my armies, planning to move 1 across Africa, land one in Italy, land one in Northern Greece and the other in Southern Greece. So far I have had no trouble with any of the factions. I just hit early and kept pushing hard. Your economy should be so good that this shouldn't be a problem.

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Smackus Maximus
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 03:45 EDT (US)     3 / 12       
Unless your playing on very hard its an easy start, but you do have to play to your strengths.

With the Seleucids all money should first go into the development of temples (Hephausteaus), barracks and the building of spearmen. I go with militia hoplites until phalanx pikemen are available (levies are dreadful). Remaining money should be put into roads (to get troops to reinforce when under siege), Blacksmith (for chariots), stables (for militia cavalry support), markets and ports. This will give you a sound financial income and the ability to field decent offensive troops after 10 turns or so.

As its a wealthy faction, it is worth considering low tax rates for some cities in order to get them up to a population level capable of producing decent barracks/walls. Look at putting walls around Damascus and Seleucia as soon as you can they typically get attacked the most.

Then its simply a case of making sure you have enough militia hoplites, and mass them at key points in the city streets. You will murder cavalry and chariots, and inflict massive damage on the Egyptians and the Parthians in particular. Try to ally with some of the non-Egyptian factions in the area
Killa4life
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 06:29 EDT (US)     4 / 12       
hm, as its been said before, unless you're playing on VH/VH (campaign/battle) it shouldnt be that hard imo.

I like to go with quik economic developenment, while taking the southern rebel city in anatolia, below Sardes with mainly milita hoplites; crushing the Parthians in Susa with mainly massed skirmishers+some militia cavs (ranged)+mass militia hoplies; pushing back the Egyptians while massing pretty much pure militia cav+all generals possible (lol, from adoption and such).

Try to stay at peace with Armenia and Pontus for as long as possible early on. Stay passive in Anatolia at first [besides that one rebel city], develope markets and roads etc and keep massing militia cav/skirms+hoplites and some mercs in seleucia+in the mountains north. Holf the Parthians off, with 1-2 generals, roughly 4ish units of militia cav, like 3 units of milita hoplites and some skirms+mercs it shouldnt be so hard, they dont tend to go mass cav archer early imo.

Also dont forget to charge with militia cavs. (in melee, they do suck in melee but with a charge+some general(s) they can be successful)

Vs Egypt militia cavs are your friend too, stay away from melee chariots tho lol, try to lure them into your hoplites. Try to take Palaestina early, with jerusalem etc just so your eco is stronger. From then on just keep tech'ing imo, improving your eco everywhere, eventually beating the Parthians, moving onto the Armenians while a 2nd+a 3rd army from Sardes and Antioch move towards Pontus and while your stacks from jerusalem etc march into the nile delta.

Once you have access to better units its pretty much a free win imo, cataphract+scythed chariot spam with micro wtfpwns pretty much every AI army :P

Once you have the money and all, add some elephants and a few silver shield legionaries if you want to. I for my part prefer 100% cav/chariot/ele armies zho

Its just insane, lure e.g. Roman infantry a bit, then suddenly chase in head on with scythed chariots, and while the romans try to regroup and stand up again, suddenly a mass of heavily armoured horsemen just crushes them xD

[This message has been edited by Killa4life (edited 10-24-2007 @ 06:33 AM).]

Smackus Maximus
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 07:31 EDT (US)     5 / 12       
Just be careful with Parthia though - make sure you have a lot of spearmen around Seleucia, as they have a couple of units of Cataphracts. These pack a huge punch, especially early game.

Egypt are not usually a big problem for the Seleucids, mainly as their generals get killed almost instantly by any phalanx. Egyptian generals tend to get sacrificed very early by the AI, after that you should be able to achieve a chain rout easily enough. Any militia cavalry you happen to have will then have a field day slaughtering all in sight.
Gaius Colinius
Seraph Emeritus
posted 24 October 2007 09:43 EDT (US)     6 / 12       
The Seleucids are a strong faction but not in the early-game period. Play defensively until you build up your strength.

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loose_the_arrows
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 09:53 EDT (US)     7 / 12       
No forget defensivily, attack with all that you have fast and hard, empty your cities and strike at Parthia immidiatly. It will catch them off balance and there is no other real threat to your Eastern cites. Put a small army in the mountain pass above Selucia and then send another to take Susa. After taking Susa move your forces that took Susa to gather those that were gaurding the pass and move north on the rest of the Parthians. Then move through Armenia and the rest of Asia minor from the East and send another army from the south. You should be able to take most of your neighbors fairly quickly this way. The only trouble you'll encounter with Parthia is their cavalry but they can be killed with your spears even if they don't go down right away it won't take very long. Their HAs can be a pain to for you but you have light cavalry in your militia cav, just chase them around until you can swarm them with multiple units. However, you must hit them fast before they have time to recruit tons of troops.

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Smackus Maximus
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 10:46 EDT (US)     8 / 12       
That's a high risk strategy loose_the_arrows, if you get caught in the open vs the Parthians you will get in a lot of trouble early game, especially if you come up against those 2 units of cataphracts. Parthia will cause you almost no trouble if your in your cities, as long as you have lots of spearmen, as their cavalry will get slaughtered.

That being said if you have a surplus of troops it is definitely wise to take out Susa, as it practically removes the threat of another Parthia attack. I tend to take out Susa when I have a large army already in place in Seleucia.
cjones87
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 10:49 EDT (US)     9 / 12       
I gathered a large force and swept into Egypt with blazing results. Lost some of the outer cities to Parthia and Armenia, but getting rid of Egypt then turning around to take care of the others worked for me.
Seleucia Reborn
Legionary
posted 24 October 2007 12:33 EDT (US)     10 / 12       
Whenever I play as the Seleucids This is what I do early game. I reinforce Seleucia, Tarsus, and Hatra. The city in Asia Minor (forgot the name)I usually just abandon as it's just a pain in the *** to keep. Instead take the army and sail them to Cyprus and take that. Then move a small-medium sized force and attack Susa. The number one rule to survival is to take out Egypt early. If you let Egypt survive too long they will come out you with massive numbers of quality troops. Once that is done you can then focus on your 3 smaller enemies to the north.
cjones87
Legionary
posted 25 October 2007 09:35 EDT (US)     11 / 12       
The number one rule to survival is to take out Egypt early. If you let Egypt survive too long they will come out you with massive numbers of quality troops. Once that is done you can then focus on your 3 smaller enemies to the north.
I just said that
LloydBrown
Legionary
posted 25 October 2007 10:27 EDT (US)     12 / 12       
Yeah, I think everyone agrees you need to beat down Egypt before they explode. The other neighbors--Scythia, Armenia, Parthia, and even Greece--never gain ground in AI-vs.-AI action. I've seen Pontus expand into the Aegean and even start establishing African colonies. That was a strange game.
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