andrejel80
Legionary
posted 01 July 2008 14:26 EDT (US)
I love the campaign game as much as I love the actual battles! I enjoy building, developing my cities and watching them grow in size and prosperity! What I do not like in RTW is the diplomacy or lack there of! What I mean is that it's nothing to natural factions or even your allies to attack you,besiege your cities or blockade your ports! I've seen it happen again and again and it annoys me soooo much! My current game I play as Carthage and am preparing for the conquest of Iberia, so naturally I make an alliance with Gaul. Gaul gets attacked by the Roman factions,Britain and Spain at the same time and what do they do? They attack their one and only ally, Carthage!!!I had this happening with Greeks as well.It just makes no sense! Have you guys had such stupid examples and is there anything that can be done?
Oolon Colluphid
Legionary
posted 01 July 2008 15:19
EDT (US)
3 / 15
I very much agree and have complained about the same thing on this board.
The exchange of map information and so on is fine, though quite simple, but the alliances, which should be most interesting to the direction of a campaign - of the diplomatic possibilities - but unfortunately an Alliance means absolutely nothing to the AI. They won't consider it in attacking you, neither out of honour or out of self preservation.
I've encountered the same kind of situation you described in my Seleucud campaign. The Greek Cities had like two or three Allies, me, Thrace and maybe Parthia. Beyond that, they were at war with everybody around them, the Romans, Macedonians, Dacians, Cartaghinians etc. and getting their asses kicked. Also, I was the only one of their allies who had so much as a shadow of a chance to beat the Romans and by any rate I was much, much much stronger than the Greeks.
Yet their prefered plan of action was to attack me.
Too bad, because of this, the campaign tactics are pretty much limited to military actions and subterfuge.
Castor26
Legionary
posted 02 July 2008 17:34
EDT (US)
7 / 15
I am in the final stages of my campaign and havent used diplomacy once.
Never have I been able to use diplomats to my advantage, especially when the senate gives you missions to make peace with said nation, in my game they have never accepted once.
However ive taken Rome and Capua so now I have no pesky senators to worry about, yay :-).
Oolon Colluphid
Legionary
posted 03 July 2008 15:24
EDT (US)
10 / 15
Eerm Chonaman, are you aware you're posting on the RTW discussion part of the site, not a political forum.
andrejel80 was critisizing the workings of diplomacy in RTW, not the concept of diplomacy in reality.
...Are you okay?
Oolon Colluphid
Legionary
posted 03 July 2008 20:41
EDT (US)
12 / 15
Aah, I see. You went right into the real world sort of analogy.
I kinda thought that couldn't have been the point, because frankly, I think it's a bad point. Real live diplomacy is incomparible to the simple diplomatic functions in the game.
And I'm surprised anyone would disagree that, in the game diplomacy plays a very minor part compared to battle.
It's mostly getting trade rights, getting map information, the occasional cease fire, the occasional bribery and the rare aquirement of a protectorate - or becoming one of course. Alliances mean next to nothing and the AI can be very irrational in it's diplomatic choices.
And I was gonna add something, but I fogot...
Nevermind, cheers.
andrejel80
Legionary
posted 04 July 2008 11:50
EDT (US)
15 / 15
Dear Chonaman...
I am here to discuss the game, its features and listen to stories and examples of other gamers...