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blakkmantis
Legionary
posted 17 June 2009 08:37 EDT (US)         
Forgive me as I'm new here, and to the game. But how does one handle the Brit Chariots? I'm in my first campaign as Julii (I think is how it's spelt) and those pesky Brits have been ripping me a new A**hole everytime I encounter them. Just last night I lost a battle where I had more than a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers but those darn chariots ran rampant on my poor romans.
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JrvUnleashed
Legionary
posted 17 June 2009 10:47 EDT (US)     1 / 13       
For Romans, Create MASS equite horsemen(Like over 5) and charge into them. You'll essentially bog them down and they'll die very quickly. You'll loose a lot of horses, but it works. A more risky approach is a bunch of archers, but if you can pull it off you'll loose less men.
For a newer player though, it's easier just to bog them down with equites.

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Capitalism on the other hand is like the bosom of a women fresh out of the kitchen with sweat on her brow and enough milk to feed a village of children for weeks. And I'll tell you something: I. Want. That. Bosom."

[This message has been edited by JrvUnleashed (edited 06-17-2009 @ 10:48 AM).]

Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 17 June 2009 11:20 EDT (US)     2 / 13       
Alternatively you can bog them down with spearmen. Barbarian mercenaries are particularly good at this. Not by themselves, though. Have the chariots charge into the spearmen while sending a cavalry unit round the back to crush them from the rear. Playing as or against Brit chariots, you need to make sure you have a local superiority - i.e., you outnumber them in a certain area (in terms of units, not just men). Alternatively, your velites get a onus against chariots. Have them hurl their javelins (as many volleys as you can manage) before retreating behind your main line. Even only two or three volleys is plenty. Brit cahriots have hitpoints, but only two or three (except the generals who have five) and after the HP's are gone, their defence is negligible.

In a custom battle, or when you eventually get your hands on them in campaign, use triarii spearmen or archers. Either of these should beat them quite handily. Although mass-charging them with cavalry is one solution, it is
  • Likely to be expensive in terms of manpower
  • An inefficient use of large quantities of cavalry who could be doing something else
  • Not always reliable. If one unit routs and the others have taken sufficient casulaties, it can cause a chain rout, and you suddenly find yourself without a cavalry force.

    Also, take care not to auto-decide battles against the Britons. The AI gives their chariots an unfair and unrealistic advantage when calculating the results.

    But my choice solution is to use cavalry auxilia - the Roman light missile cavalry with javelins. They are very much a fire-and-forget weapon; set them to attack a Brit chariot unit, and watch them skirmish the chariots to pieces while hurling missiles at them. It is most unfortunate if the chariots catch up with them - but usually they have routed by then. They can be recruited from 3rd tier (that is, Minor City) stables for a really cheap price considering their usefulness.


    There. I hope you're pleased with yourself. You just tricked me into giving away the secrets of how to defeat my own people.

    EDORIX
    ~ ancient briton ~

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    [This message has been edited by Edorix (edited 06-17-2009 @ 11:35 AM).]

  • Terikel Grayhair
    Imperator
    (id: Terikel706)
    posted 17 June 2009 11:35 EDT (US)     3 / 13       
    Hail, Noble Blakkmantis.

    We too have faced troubles over those bladed wagons when commanding the House of Iulius. However, in our own meager wisdom combining with the grand wisdom found amongst our Peers, we have discerned a rather easy remedy to battlewagons.

    We merely dispatch a member of our family to the land of the Greeks and have him hire a few of those sell-sword hoppylites that hang about there. If the Coming of the Great Marry Us has occurred, thou shalt also have auxilia- rather good spearmen, but incapable of the murderous phalanx.

    Always ensure any warhosts of thine that operate in the vicinity of the Painted Devils from the Rainy Isles have some of these jolly fellows with them, and ther proper use will render moot thy battle-wagon problem.
    Edorix
    High King of Britain
    posted 17 June 2009 11:38 EDT (US)     4 / 13       
    Hmm... I hate to argue Terikel, but Mercenary Hoplites are expensive and hard to come by. Yes, they are probably the best solution, but Greece is a long way from Britain, and marching hoplites overland all that way from Illyria, through rebel and/or German infested territory... I don't know, but it doesn't seem like the ideal solution to me.

    EDORIX
    ~ ancient briton ~

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    [This message has been edited by Edorix (edited 06-17-2009 @ 12:14 PM).]

    Terikel Grayhair
    Imperator
    (id: Terikel706)
    posted 17 June 2009 13:30 EDT (US)     5 / 13       
    No worries, Lord Edorix- we did not claim that this solution was easily accomplished. We usually hire our sellswords and transport them by fleet to Patavium, and from there by foot over to Massilia. We do this as early as possible, preferably before running into the Pretani.

    Tis often a viable solution for an army otherwise strapped for means to stop those rattling carts of bladed death. By no means quick or easy, but viable none the less.
    Andalus
    Legionary
    posted 17 June 2009 17:36 EDT (US)     6 / 13       
    Don't forget there are also Mercenary Hoplites available in Southern Italy.
    blakkmantis
    Legionary
    posted 17 June 2009 18:31 EDT (US)     7 / 13       
    First off thank you all for so much of your knowledge you shared with me here on this. I have been finding it hard to wage war vs the Spanish, Brits, and Germania all at the same time. I'm also at war with the Greeks too ATM but due to them being far enuf away, I don't have to contend with them all that much if I choose not to.

    The brits and those chariots as I said above have given me the most trouble. I will do as you say and recruit more archers, and mounted spearmen. The main trouble I have been having is my casualties when fighting the brits have been high, and because I have to travel so far away to fight the dirty bastages its been hard to also fight Germania and the Spanish all at once. I got many armies marching in all different directions. Might be time tho I think to focus on one, and exterminate them off the map. Rinse and repeat.

    Loving this game. Yeah I know I'm late in discovering it, as it's been out for quite some time now. To be honest this is my first strategy game. For many years now I been doing the MMORPG thing. This has been a wonderful change for me.
    Cancer of the Head
    Legionary
    (id: say1988)
    posted 17 June 2009 21:11 EDT (US)     8 / 13       
    Try to get Germania to focus on taking one city, my first campaign, I had a ton of trouble as Germans kept attacking different cities throughout Gaul and Northern Italy, until I took one city in Germania, then I only needed one defensive army to restrain them.

    The British I drove off the continent (suffered massive casualties to chariots), then I kept a mobile army to immediately counter landings as they often came piecemeal (rarely did they land a full stack at once). At the same time I had an army North-Eastern Italy containing Greeks and Macedonians and the occasional German incursion. As these were defensive armies in cities (except vs. Britain) they were composed of lots of basic infantry and archers. These three armies held my front for nearly the entire game, as I had a fourth to conquer Iberia, Britain (freeing the one to reinforce my other defenses), then rolled through North Africa to Carthage and a fifth army (created later) pushed down Italy, Sicily, and then Greece.

    Largely I just avoided any fair fights or field battles vs. anyone other than the one place (my diplomacy was non-existent so it didn't matter who they were I was at war) at a time I am trying to conquer (Iberia was a priority as it cleared a large area that needed few defenses as the Scipii were taking care of Africa).
    Drakedeath
    Legionary
    posted 17 June 2009 22:22 EDT (US)     9 / 13       
    Take the thorn that is Spain out of your side first. Iberia is home to Balearic Slingers and Spanish Mercenaries. Slingers have a good angle to hit chariots, and the Spanish Mercenaries have javelins, although I can't remember if they have the bonus.

    Velites, Light Auxilia, Illyrian Mercenaries, Mercenary Peltasts, and Libyan Mercenaries are also good options to fight the chariots.
    blakkmantis
    Legionary
    posted 17 June 2009 23:33 EDT (US)     10 / 13       
    Whats the view of forming an alliance with Brit and maybe even Spain, until you wipe out the Gauls, and that other pesky rebel faction and stabilize Northern Italy first? I haven't tried playing any other faction yet, till I figure out how to win with Julii first. My usual approach till now has been too agressive I think, and I normally end up over extended, spread too thin, fighting on too many fronts vs too many factions at once, and going broke before too long into the campaign.

    Germania for me hasn't been to hard to defeat. I just want to be able to focus on them, and not deal with Spain and Britinia at the same time hehe.

    [This message has been edited by blakkmantis (edited 06-17-2009 @ 11:42 PM).]

    Cancer of the Head
    Legionary
    (id: say1988)
    posted 18 June 2009 09:21 EDT (US)     11 / 13       
    I have never found an alliance worthwhile in this game. They just attack anyways, so I rely on finding one or two places to soak up enemy attacks while invading elsewhere.
    JrvUnleashed
    Legionary
    posted 18 June 2009 10:20 EDT (US)     12 / 13       
    There are occasions where alliances work. For instance in my Britain campaign I've bordered Dacia and Spain for a while and they haven't broken their alliance. I do agree however that most alliances are fruitless.

    "Communism is like a Mistress you later learn is a Mister and no amount of showers will ever wash away the shame.
    Capitalism on the other hand is like the bosom of a women fresh out of the kitchen with sweat on her brow and enough milk to feed a village of children for weeks. And I'll tell you something: I. Want. That. Bosom."
    blakkmantis
    Legionary
    posted 18 June 2009 11:15 EDT (US)     13 / 13       
    Well my alliance idea worked. I had allied with Spain and Britania while I decemated Gaul, and the rebels I asked Britania to attack Germania during this time keeping their hands tied. Now I'm marching around cleaning up whats left of Germania and Britania is still fighting them.

    All in all it kind of made the game easy mode thus far. I'll have a strong Britania to contend with eventually. But so far Britania hasn't broken the alliance yet, and done my evil bidding. Just thought I'd pass on that FYI.

    I have to make my mind up here soon to see if I swing down into Greece to attack, or down into Spain maybe. I have been slaughtering the towns as I take them and moving on. Taxing them to death, and letting them revolt. They flip, which in turn gives me a senate mission to retake them. Which seems to be about the only way I can get the Julii to make any income to speak of, lol.
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