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MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 18 August 2012 03:46 EDT (US)         
Now it is time to decuss Armenia; in my opinion it has one of the best rosters in the game! Cavalry Archers, Cataphracts, Speremen, even Legionaries. Why don't they expand?
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ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 18 August 2012 04:28 EDT (US)     1 / 14       
Yes I think they have to be the most flexible faction in the game. Anyone who can field a mixture of legionaries and a strong phalanx alongside cataphracts and horse archers has to be very dangerous. But they fall victim to the same problem as Dacia, they live in an unprofitable hole. They sometimes come southwards into the Seleucid territory or north into Scythia, but unless they can reach the Mediterranean they're never going to make much money. So this is really the furthest they can expand, and just have to sit there and wait for Pontus, Egypt and Parthia to swallow them up. Pontus usually always has a go from the west, but it's almost always Egypt as they can afford to build army after army and just keep hammering away until they win. Unless the Brutii get there first. Which is unlikely in my games as I'm usually killing them.
Thompsoncs
Legionary
posted 18 August 2012 05:14 EDT (US)     2 / 14       
Legionaries and cataphracts are late game units. In the beginning they are mostly stuck with hillmen/eastern spearmen and horse archers. Parthia has better horse archers (persian cav) and pontus has faster access to decent infantry.

I have sometimes seen them taking parts of Seleucid Empire, which is usually the first to be destroyed, but it's allways the steamroll of Egypt, or else an expanding pontus that kills Armenia. I've never played them, but I'm sure that under the player's control, armenia can do great.
MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 18 August 2012 06:33 EDT (US)     3 / 14       
What about Mundus Magnus?

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ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 18 August 2012 12:32 EDT (US)     4 / 14       
I haven't properly explored Armenia on Mundus Magnus, but I think they must be stronger because when I'm playing as Scythia they keep sending armies into my territory, so many that I don't feel confident enough to enter theirs. I've noticed them having a good go at Pontus too. Parthia and Egypt don't enter the equation it seems because the Seleucids are hugely strong on MM (they start with 30 territories) and so form a barrier against them. Yet they never really seem to expand northwards so Armenia has quite a breathing space.
General Sajaru
Tribunus Laticlavius
posted 18 August 2012 23:35 EDT (US)     5 / 14       
As mentioned above, Armenia can't come into its own until it gets higher level units. Since it rarely expands much, that doesn't often happen. Therefore, while Armenia usually survives even into the late game, it doesn't frequently flourish.

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MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 22 August 2012 08:21 EDT (US)     6 / 14       
Would giving more quality troops to Armenia at the start (on Mundus Magnus) make them do better?
SongsOfBeitar
Legionary
posted 22 August 2012 09:10 EDT (US)     7 / 14       
I think the issue that Shieldwall mentioned would persist because even with better soldiers they would never make it to the Mediterranean. They might last longer though.
Forest fighter
Legionary
posted 22 August 2012 10:01 EDT (US)     8 / 14       
Because all of their best units are all late game and they have to contend with parthia at the very beginning and then pontos (not sure if spelt right) and then egypt and it doesn't help they have no economy!!!
General Sajaru
Tribunus Laticlavius
posted 22 August 2012 15:02 EDT (US)     9 / 14       
If perhaps you gave them better cities, it might work, but otherwise, I only see it prolonging their lifespan, but not granting them eventual victory.

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ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 23 August 2012 04:19 EDT (US)     10 / 14       
It wouldn't do them any harm to have better quality units to start off with, but they wouldn't be able to repair them and their mere existence would further drain the economy. They don't lose through a lack of quality troops, it's not like the Gauls of northern Italy getting hammered by the Julii in every game, Armenia manage to hold their own and only get swamped because their enemies inevitably have bigger resources. A few extra cities would certainly change things, but you could only do that in Mundus Magnus as there's not really much else they can be given in Vanilla. The only alternative is editing the economic conditions of their territories. No idea how to do that. Does anyone know out of interest?
General Sajaru
Tribunus Laticlavius
posted 23 August 2012 05:34 EDT (US)     11 / 14       
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think you could alter the base farming value of a region, as well as the trade goods present there to increase its economic productivity. The file for that would probably be found in the data folder.

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MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 24 August 2012 07:02 EDT (US)     12 / 14       
Would making there cities more advanced help? (For Mudus Magnus)
General Sajaru
Tribunus Laticlavius
posted 24 August 2012 07:34 EDT (US)     13 / 14       
I don't know about Mudus Magnus, but, generally, more advanced cities will boost a faction's effectiveness. So yes, bigger cities would help Armenia.

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ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 25 August 2012 04:47 EDT (US)     14 / 14       
If Armenia started with roads, ports and markets then it would certainly give them a better start. They don't do so bad in Mundus Magnus though. From what I've seen, Egypt is a long way off to be a problem, Pontus is somewhat underpowered, the Seleucids seem to focus on holding what they have rather than expanding, and Scythia are busy taking up all the rebel settlements in the north. Armenia carves out a solid platform for itself in its area and seems to do no worse than any other ordinary faction.
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