MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 05 July 2013 09:28 EDT (US)
Guys, I have been wondering, why are Romans so strong is it there military, there starting position, or something else?
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 05 July 2013 11:08
EDT (US)
1 / 14
The economy in Italy is strong, but I think they succeed from the point of view of the human player because their units are pretty tough all-rounders from the outset, no waiting until the 4th tier before good troops become available. They dominate the map though because of the strength the AI places on Roman units - clearly it must be high as they don't tend to lose many AI battles, it's something of a surprise if another faction defeats them in an even encounter.
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 06 July 2013 02:46
EDT (US)
4 / 14
Yes having Roman allies is a good point. The trade routes between all the home ports will always be available so the economy won't suffer. Also every other faction has to worry about its borders being secure from attack in pretty much every direction so they can expect regular sieges and all the loss of income and interruption to their strategy that comes with it. Due to the shape of Italy though, each of the Roman factions are all but unchallengable in their homeland and so can afford to throw everything into expansion. And they must be one of the few factions who start the game with just two cities that can balance their books right away.
MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 06 July 2013 10:43
EDT (US)
5 / 14
But the Greeks have good second tier units too, plus better first tier units...
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 07 July 2013 03:25
EDT (US)
6 / 14
I'd say Greece only produce infantry on a par with Hastati when they can make Hoplites. They're available on the same tier of building, but they don't seem able to mass produce them at the rate that Rome can because only Sparta has the necessary barracks. You'll find that when you attack Rome in the early game you'll come up against lots of Hastati and Equites. If you attack Greece all you seem to find are lots of militia hoplites and peltasts, with the odd Hoplite and Spartan if you're lucky (or otherwise).
Greece has a stronger economy available to it than the Roman one, but they're under a lot more pressure in the early game. The Scipii come at them within minutes in Sicily, they're split between Macedon in mainland Greece, and even if they can overcome them then the Brutii will then come into play and give them a hammering. So their starting position is nowhere near as comfortable and they really struggle to get off the mark.
MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 07 July 2013 04:42
EDT (US)
7 / 14
And what about Mundus Magnus? The Greeks are much less spread-out there, and the Romans have to fight six-chevron rebels before they can even reach them.
Also, as you might know, the Brutii, who are the Greece's first enemy, don't have a single city, which can train hastati, plus the first cities they have exes to, cannot train hastati.
And again, hastati may have problems fighting tight lines of militia hoplites, particularly up the hill, when the peltasts are doing there business!
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 07 July 2013 12:28
EDT (US)
8 / 14
I think Greece has a much better chance on Mundus Magnus. Even if you edit the rebel towns to make them less insanely powerful the Brutii always look a bit hamstrung when they land in Greece, weak and very slow to think about expanding. But Greece will be in a much stronger position as it still has Rhodes, which nobody will challenge and gives big trade bonuses, and they also start with both Sparta and Athens under their control, so a strong economy with strong troops not very far away. In the games I've played they always seem to do well against Macedon and come to dominate the Greek mainland if not advance a bit beyond it.
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 09 July 2013 03:21
EDT (US)
10 / 14
Imagine what the Romans would be like on AI battles if they had chariot generals!!
MusCypricus
Legionary
posted 13 July 2013 01:38
EDT (US)
11 / 14
Does Egypt stop them? I thought they trample everything in their way!
ShieldWall
Legionary
posted 13 July 2013 03:01
EDT (US)
12 / 14
No, Rome will run right over the top of them. But Egypt is noted for its ability to walk over everyone else, and like the Britons they seem to get quite a huge advantage in AI battles just because they have chariots.