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Topic Subject:The Dahae
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 05 April 2011 13:03 EDT (US)         
I don't expect this to be a successful thread, I just want to do a bit of exclaiming about how cool the Dahae are.

Basically, I got a copy of Alexander and fired it up. Couldn't bear to attempt the campaign after I took one look at it - a) I don't much like playing Greeks b) it was daunting c) I only had time for a quick game. So I went to look at the custom battles. Obviously I had to have a look at those Indian archeresses which everyone has heard about (their stats are atrocious, sexist bias or what?), but I also wanted to see what CA had done with the Parthians. I was in for a very pleasant surprise; they were not an ahistorical cavalry-heavy Eastern faction as they would later become after they settled further South, they were real barbarians. So, naturally, after just one quick battle using those sexy archeresses I opted for the Dahae.

IIRC, their units are as follows: peasants, spearmen, swordsmen, sicklemen (search me), archers, slingers, HAs, barb cavalry, and a cavalry general. Now none of these units are anything particularly special (those sicklemen aren't bad, and the slingers are good), but what really struck me was how goddam awesome they looked. The swordsmen had a really badass looking sword which reminded me of a Hallstatt or early La Téne style but never featured in RTW vanilla, and the oval shield of the barbarian warband but with a new design. And I was just thinking wtf, give these guys woad paint and they're Britons! Even the spear warband looked better than in RTW vanilla, despite being the same, by virtue of having a shirt. This might make no sense, but to me it symbolised that these spearmen weren't warriors, they were basically farmers, part-time warriors, as opposed to the swordsmen who were the pros. Then the slingers; for once, decent barbarian slingers with Balearic stats but not extortionately expensive!

I just really loved everything about the Dahae. They have a flexible selection of basic troop types (at least compared to the Britons who have no long range missiles and no cavalry) and they are a historically accurate generic barbarian faction (almost) - from CA. The only thing I would want to add is chariots. The next release of my Britannia Reborn mod is going to be heavily influenced by these guys.

Maybe the main reason I am so enthusiastic is because I've been deprived of RTW for so long, apart from a battle as Carthage at my friend's house a week ago... I also tried out a couple of rather neat historically accurate barbarian strategies and enjoyed some success - what I mean is, packing all your melee troops together in a mass, infantry and cavalry, and charging in a single mass, later splitting off into smaller groups to pursue other minor battles, with missile troops on one flank. Worked well against India, almost worked against Macedon until my slingers got trampled by Companions and the rout spread... The reasons I suppose this works are a) the enormous local superiority you gain enabling you to cause a chain rout quickly and b) slow reaction on the part of the AI.

I may have to do a faction overview on these guys. Comments? Anyone who prefers a different faction and can say why it's better?

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[This message has been edited by Edorix (edited 04-06-2011 @ 12:09 PM).]

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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 06 April 2011 11:47 EDT (US)     1 / 12       
I haven't played any custom battle, just a few campaigns. And the greeks/Macedonians seem to be are the only ones I can play as so...
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 06 April 2011 11:58 EDT (US)     2 / 12       
Forgot to mention that the Dahae in custom battles are basically a compound of all the barbarian factions - Dahae, Thracians and Illyrians - into one big generic one, which for me is ideal.

I had a go at the campaign this morning, but lost interest after winning the first couple of provinces. I don't like phalanxes and I don't like fighting the Persians cos they're so cool.

• EDORIX •
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[This message has been edited by Edorix (edited 04-06-2011 @ 12:11 PM).]

Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 06 April 2011 15:06 EDT (US)     3 / 12       
Yeah, the campaign is a bit annoying. Phalanxes are too easy to use. And the persians are awesome. The worst thing is probably the inmediate bankrupcy at the beggining.

Wow, these forums are doing well at the moment, 2 new threads in one month!

[This message has been edited by Liam_the_Spartan (edited 04-06-2011 @ 03:09 PM).]

Kilos of Thermon
Legionary
posted 06 April 2011 16:09 EDT (US)     4 / 12       
Yeah. I just don't like how the barbarians are all basically one faction, but besides that they have a really good, if rather limited, roster.

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GeneralKickAss
Legionary
posted 07 April 2011 03:37 EDT (US)     5 / 12       
If Alex is good, why do you see <700 posts here, compared with BI's 10600-plus?

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"You see, this is what happens when you don't follow instructions, GKA..." -Edorix
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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 07 April 2011 11:12 EDT (US)     6 / 12       
Cos BI is better. Where's the contradiction?

Meh, personally I don't particularly like Alex because I don't have the stomach for that kind of relentlessly wearing campaign. However, there are a number of things about it which I really like, most of them mentioned above.

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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 07 April 2011 12:57 EDT (US)     7 / 12       
GKA, where did that come from? I think it's because BI is like a normal Total war; you chosse a faction and lead it to glory. But in Alex each campaign seems the same.
GeneralKickAss
Legionary
posted 07 April 2011 20:26 EDT (US)     8 / 12       
Just me trying to tell myself that not getting Alex was no great loss.

"The difficulty is not so great to die for a friend, as to find a friend worth dying for." -Homer
"You see, this is what happens when you don't follow instructions, GKA..." -Edorix
Guild of the Skalds, Order of the Silver Quill, Apprentice Storyteller
Battle of Ilipa, 206BC - XI TWH Egil Skallagrimson Award

The word dyslexia was invented by Nazis to piss off kids with dyslexia.
Kilos of Thermon
Legionary
posted 07 April 2011 21:59 EDT (US)     9 / 12       
Actually, the only campaign you can play without modding is the Macedonian Campaign. But I agree that besides that they are basically all the same.

I really got into Alex for a while (in a non-homosexual way! ) but got bored after I beat the campaign and historical battles. The Historical Battles are a lot better than the campaign, btw. Oh, and GKA, you are not really at a loss for not buying it. I guarantee you will be bored of it within 5 months.

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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 12 April 2011 15:20 EDT (US)     10 / 12       
I haven't actually beaten the campaign. I got all the left side of the map and couldn't be bothered with the rest. And in another one Alexander died.. in a flood!
Kilos of Thermon
Legionary
posted 12 April 2011 16:44 EDT (US)     11 / 12       
1 more post to 700 posts! Whoo!

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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 13 April 2011 13:00 EDT (US)     12 / 12       
Wow! Alexander is reborn!
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