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SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 07 December 2008 04:28 EDT (US)         
Hotseat game status: - Sicily has won on turn 115



Players (in turn order): (with links to write-ups) plus some other links where I consider it to be funny

Selifator: England
Kilij Ae Varyl: Spain

Venice - FACTION DESTROYED

Me Sicily

EoJ: Turks
I think I might have referenced this video before in the first crusade
This might be more appropriate... Looks like I was right there

Rankings - Turn 101



Rankings - Turn 69



Subs
Glacier_Girl played as sub for England - T29, T30
- played as sub for Sicily - T33

Monty501 played as sub for Spain T30, T 31
JuBuOrangie played as sub for Venice - T31 to T40
Lloydsgamble played as sub for Venice T41 to 42
Brutiangodofrock played as sub for Venice T43 to T65
Zsmart one played as sub for Turks T50 to T65
Hashoosh played as sub for Turks T64


Rules to note:

No 'exploiting' of any kind (e.g. putting forts on resources and stocking them with merchants) nor reloading your go to get a better result.

If I don't hear from a player within 4 days of receiving a turn, I will try to find a sub to take the turn.

If you don't expect to be able to play within 4 days, just let me know - extensions are fine (preferably not too often though please). I'll send a reminder email after a couple of days as a prompt.

If you expect an extended absence, e.g. not being able to play for over a week, you're invited to arrange a sub, giving them instructions etc so your turn is played as you'd like it to be.

An 'un-arranged' sub has the option to take over after 2 weeks or 10 turns The '2 weeks' here looks a little low, but the turn limit looks high?

[This message has been edited by SwampRat (edited 01-18-2013 @ 01:21 PM).]

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el_bandito
Legionary
posted 03 August 2009 01:47 EDT (US)     476 / 1439       
All soldiers but a pawn, and all generals but an expendable commodity. As long as the nation triumphs, others are secondary to the cause.

Michael Jackson
EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 03 August 2009 03:41 EDT (US)     477 / 1439       
I'm sure EoJ will see that the war between Venice and the Turks is a real one. Big dip in military for bandito next turn, unless his Economy really is as big as he promises.
At first I was going to dismiss the e-mail as improbable fiction, but then I suppose Bandito's Xanatos Roulette must be able to come unstuck a little at certain points, if not all of them. Still gonna have to take the taking of Turkey for me to come round to thinking this isn't staged

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 03 August 2009 04:17 EDT (US)     478 / 1439       
Just for fun I made a version of this hotseat with me playing as all of the people. Here is a screenie of what the map currently looks like:
The Map!!!!!!!!!!

I will fight for Total War Heaven.

Will You?
SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 03 August 2009 04:29 EDT (US)     479 / 1439       
I may have said this before but...

no pics => it didn't happen

On a less flippant note - Huzzah for Venice

I'll try my turn this evening hopefully - I got it a little too late yesterday. Oh, untill then, I sank Bandito's other fleets, err and his capital city. AND THE SUN! muwhahaha, oh it's come back up again.
The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 03 August 2009 04:33 EDT (US)     480 / 1439       
O sorry I didn,t realise that I shouldn,t post pics.

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JuBuOrangie
Legionary
posted 03 August 2009 05:24 EDT (US)     481 / 1439       
This reminds me of chess by mail.

A lot of people play correspondence chess.

On a side note I wouldnt be surprised if Venice and The Turks did a dual attack vs Sicily.

[This message has been edited by JuBuOrangie (edited 08-03-2009 @ 05:32 AM).]

The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 03 August 2009 05:27 EDT (US)     482 / 1439       
This reminds me of chess by mail.

A lot of people play correspondence chess.
I have to agree with you there.

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EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 03 August 2009 11:50 EDT (US)     483 / 1439       
On a side note I wouldnt be surprised if Venice and The Turks did a dual attack vs Sicily.
Y'know what? Neither would we We just hope those boats that are being sent round hugging the coastline can land on Egypt before hell breaks loose.

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 03 August 2009 18:16 EDT (US)     484 / 1439       
On to Bandito to see what evil he plans.
el_bandito
Legionary
posted 03 August 2009 21:47 EDT (US)     485 / 1439       
Evil? Eeeeveeeel? Dear Swampy, my "evilness" is nothing compared to what Hoppy just did to my entire fleet. All kisses and alliance on one turn, and bam! Betrayal on the next turn.

Lets see, I lost 3 stacks of my most elite troops, which means I have very little Jihading troops left (the six stack rant was just a bluff), and even if I can train them, I have a grand total of 3 ships out of 14 I had. The chance of me taking Sicily is now close to nil. I said "close to nil" because it is a Mongol's nature to never give up the target even after a bloody loss. However, the losses were entirely due to Venice's back-stabbing so let me say something to Hoppy first.


I am very sad, my dear treacherous neighbor, and I am not grieving over my loss. I thought I could save you last in this game, since you were doing such dismally on the other hot-seat. Apparently you did a Pearl Harbor on me when I fully put my trust in you. Since I despise those who attack an ally without warning most of all, I will devout the rest of my turns to hound this blight known as Venice and will never give you a moment's respite. A traitor will meet a lonely end.


That done, let's see what I can even do to Venice, now that he has clear advantages over me in every aspect. He is clearly defeating Russia and further enlarging his coffers and no doubt sending his elite Templar units over here from Italy. The challenges awaiting me are insurmountably ecstatic.

Now where are my smilies?

Michael Jackson

[This message has been edited by el_bandito (edited 08-03-2009 @ 09:57 PM).]

SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 03 August 2009 23:53 EDT (US)     486 / 1439       
nothing compared to what Hoppy just did to my entire fleet. All kisses and alliance on one turn, and bam! Betrayal on the next turn.
Tisktisk Bandito - did you forget the bit where you're meant to pretend not to know that everyone knew you were working together with Venice? At least now though we can rest at ease knowing that you are well and truly at war with Venice rather than the fake war that you've just admitted to.
The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 04 August 2009 03:03 EDT (US)     487 / 1439       
Gaaaaahhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!
All this plotting is giving me a headache!
Can't we all just pick on the AI .

I will fight for Total War Heaven.

Will You?

[This message has been edited by Monty501 (edited 08-04-2009 @ 03:04 AM).]

EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 04 August 2009 05:12 EDT (US)     488 / 1439       
Hah! That little slip of the mask means that things ain't going well! You've got what, couple of stacks? Nothing swampy can't handle

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 04 August 2009 05:15 EDT (US)     489 / 1439       
I would seriously like to know peoples opinion on the picture.

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EnemyofJupitor
HG Alumnus Superbus
posted 04 August 2009 07:29 EDT (US)     490 / 1439       
It's interesting. In theory England should be the superpower, but I suppose different play styles have stopped it slightly.
Still, the logical place for England in that picture would be Germany, and would gobble it all up. Luckily in my Spain I've got Bern, so I can join in the fun

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 04 August 2009 08:17 EDT (US)     491 / 1439       
I thought it was interesting to see how differently the Turks and Venice came out on your version to hotseatA - that's probably showing that Hoppy and Bandito (well we all know Gagonite set him up nicely and he's just been following a script) have done quite well and/or people like me haven't pressured them enough from the back.

Your map had Spain looking south rather than north-east as EoJ mentioned, I think the northerly approach has benefitted Spain over your map. That said, Sicily was probably better off not going west and looking to Egypt instead.

Flatterning HRE and looking north probably would have been better for Sicily too. So many lessons to learn...
el_bandito
Legionary
posted 04 August 2009 08:34 EDT (US)     492 / 1439       
Hah! That little slip of the mask means that things ain't going well! You've got what, couple of stacks? Nothing swampy can't handle
"Slip of a mask"? I'm literally tearing off my face here! Things are now as dismal as I predicted if Hoppy chose to betray me. The war is real.
Sicily is welcome to invade me any time. Two to tango, three's a party. Taking Egypt is one thing, holding it will be a totally different story.


BTW, Selifator is now off to France, yes? Should I send the game to Glacy?

Michael Jackson

[This message has been edited by el_bandito (edited 08-04-2009 @ 08:42 AM).]

SwampRat
M2TW Ladder Leader
posted 04 August 2009 08:51 EDT (US)     493 / 1439       
Yes, that's right I think.

My comments above on egypt etc related to Monty's alternate version of the game posted a page or so ago.
el_bandito
Legionary
posted 04 August 2009 10:56 EDT (US)     494 / 1439       
Save sent to Glacy...or not. It is taking forever to attach the files.


Hoppy, remember these names.

Crown Prince Mustafa the Scarred

Baybars of Tabriz

Uthman Gezman


I will engrave them on your lands, viper!

Michael Jackson

[This message has been edited by el_bandito (edited 08-04-2009 @ 11:04 AM).]

el_bandito
Legionary
posted 04 August 2009 20:52 EDT (US)     495 / 1439       
Ok, after a whole night of Yahoo mail acting dumb and not attaching my file, I finally managed to send the save to Glacy this morning.

Michael Jackson
Hoppylyte
Legionary
posted 04 August 2009 21:44 EDT (US)     496 / 1439       
Evil? Eeeeveeeel? Dear Swampy, my "evilness" is nothing compared to what Hoppy just did to my entire fleet. All kisses and alliance on one turn, and bam! Betrayal on the next turn.
Kisses and Alliances? What the devil gave you that idea? We're at war! Not to mention you took the village of Caffa from me... If that isn't gearing up for war then I don't know what is.
Evil? Lets see, I lost 3 stacks of my most elite troops, which means I have very little Jihading troops left (the six stack rant was just a bluff
I find that hard to believe since you seem to have a half stack garrisoned in virtually every single city of yours in the Holy Lands, not to mention that nasty little full stack of yours hiding off the coast of Iconium.
I have a grand total of 3 ships out of 14 I had. The chance of me taking Sicily is now close to nil.
3 ships out of 14? Hardly. I believe I sunk at least 14 ships. 3 ships left? I didn't know you disbanded that 9 ship fleet of yours off Iconium that has FOUR war galleys in it...

[This message has been edited by Hoppylyte (edited 08-04-2009 @ 09:46 PM).]

Glacier_Girl
Legionary
posted 04 August 2009 22:41 EDT (US)     497 / 1439       
Save sent to EoJ.

Think you're a hotshot against the Mongols? Go to the Mongolphobia mod discussions and download the mod, then, you will surely tremble with fear in the face of the Mongols. If you have suggestions/questions, feel free to make a thread. You can download Mongolphobia here. Good luck.

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The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 05 August 2009 00:16 EDT (US)     498 / 1439       
When I was playing the alternate hotseat A I noticed a few things:
- First was how hard it was to be agressive with Venice.
In most of my campaigns as Venice, I target Egypt (see my AAR for an example) but here I thought I might try taking on Byzantium. I won, of course, but it take so so long to get then troops ready for something like this, and to march them there that it didn,t seem so. Now I have three full stacks to take on Hungary with (one of which just took sofia) but it will take a while before I break through them.
- Also I thought that this was the first time I was realy able to do well with the Turks. Before It has taken me ages to capture all that land.

Thought this might have been of interest to perhaps one person on this planet?

I will fight for Total War Heaven.

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Hoppylyte
Legionary
posted 05 August 2009 00:48 EDT (US)     499 / 1439       
The Great Monty
Legionary
(id: Monty501)
posted 05 August 2009 01:37 EDT (US)     500 / 1439       
(In reference to the fact that we will start close to each other in hotseat F) Gulp!
Yay 500th post in this thread!

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