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Mechstra
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posted 22 August 2007 06:13 EDT (US)         
Empire: Total War is marching slowly towards us!



Relevant links:

The official site
Preview article on land combat at Gamespot
Another land combat preview at IGN
Total War Heaven Youtube channel - featuring some trailers


FAQ

1. Do we have a release date?
The game is currently scheduled to be out in February 2009.

2. How many factions will there be?
There will be 12 playable factions, all playable from the start. Currently confirmed factions are Britain, Prussia, France, Spain, America, Austria, the Dutch Republic and the Ottoman Empire. References to Peter the Great and Charles XII mean that Russia and Sweden are likely candidates as well. A CA developer has said:
We have over 50 factions in the game, and we can't create all of them in the full detail they deserve. Therefore we limit the number of playable factions, but we can't say which ones are playable just yet, simply because we haven't made a final decision. Rest assured though that all major factions (even the non-playable ones) will be represented in high detail.
3. Do we know system requirements? Will the game require Vista?
There are no released system requirements yet, but the game will run with DirectX 9.0, so Vista will not be a minimum requirement for the game. DX10 support is likely but not needed.

4. What period will the game cover?
Empire: Total War will cover the 18th century and the early 19th century.

5. What will the campaign map be?
The latest information suggests that it will include Europe, North and South America, North Africa, Central Asia, India, and Indonesia.

[This message has been edited by Kor (edited 08-27-2008 @ 05:52 AM).]

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General_II
Legionary
posted 31 January 2008 18:59 EDT (US)     151 / 254       
About destructible buildings, do you think the building will have to be destroyed to kill the occupants (as is common in World in Conflict), or that the individuals will be *easier* to kill in order to reoccupy the building yourself (a la Company of Heroes).

I also wonder how building garrisons will function with the ideally large armies. Will a squad of 60 try to garrison in a small hamlet? If then, will only the select few at windows or doors be able to shoot?
Catabre
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posted 08 February 2008 16:16 EDT (US)     152 / 254       
It will interesting to see how they use the buildings.

This will probably get me back into the world of TW again.

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TacticaImperia19
Legionary
posted 26 February 2008 04:44 EDT (US)     153 / 254       
Empire Total War is going to be a great game. Interesting historical period with lots of new technology and tactics. Like the sound of some of the features. I am looking forward to naval battles. Complete list of factions so far is as follows:
* The British Empire
* The Kingdom of France
* The Ottoman Empire
* The Kingdom of Prussia
* The Spanish Empire
* The United Provinces (Dutch Republic)
* The Swedish Empire
* The Russian Empire
* Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
* Thirteen colonies

Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle, but in defeating your opponent without ever fighting.
- Sun Tzu

[This message has been edited by TacticaImperia19 (edited 02-26-2008 @ 04:44 AM).]

amateurcynic
Legionary
posted 26 March 2008 10:22 EDT (US)     154 / 254       
i wonder if they're going to include dragoons..
that would be an interesting addition to land battles.
then again, i know very little about historical battle tactics and have probably got completely the wrong time period.. ha

I really hope they've sorted out pathfinding. It was infuriating when fighting in a mountain pass in M2TW because the enemy would always hide at the top of a hill and it was simply impossible to get everyone up there. I always had to give all of my units individual orders.
bah..
i cant wait!
General_II
Legionary
posted 30 March 2008 19:32 EDT (US)     155 / 254       
Here are some... images from a thread at IGN (http://boards.ign.com/empire_total_war/b23907/160925082/p1/. Apparently these are from a magazine.

http://recensioni-videogiochi.dvd.it/images/Empire_Total_War/empire-total-war-05-m.jpg

http://recensioni-videogiochi.dvd.it/images/Empire_Total_War/empire-total-war-06-m.jpg

They look like renders of in-game action. It seems similar to what you see in Company of Heroes and World in Conflict: some images were run through a filter to hide, perhaps, early graphics bugs.

If the latter image is what a fort battle looks like... wow.
Gaius Colinius
Seraph Emeritus
posted 31 March 2008 16:53 EDT (US)     156 / 254       
I reckon it's concept art rather than in-game shots but they still look awesome. Now unfortunately we won't be newsing them because magazine pictures are covered by copyright.

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AugustusCurly
Legionary
posted 31 March 2008 18:15 EDT (US)     157 / 254       
This is still most awesome, especially the fort battle.

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Smileyman007
Legionary
posted 01 April 2008 03:30 EDT (US)     158 / 254       
If the latter image is what a fort battle looks like... wow.
I think they are fighting over the Hoover Dam (still under construction). Either that or they are reenacting a scene from the Transformers movie.

But seriously, that looks pretty cool.

No, I'm not being sarcastic.
Gaius Colinius
Seraph Emeritus
posted 04 April 2008 19:30 EDT (US)     159 / 254       
I presume sector 7 will be a playable faction then?

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Andalus
Legionary
posted 08 April 2008 10:16 EDT (US)     160 / 254       
I was thinking about morale...

(1) In that era armies didn't rout, they withdrew when they saw they couldn't win.
(2) There was greater distance between the armies, so less ability to chase them down.
(3) Elite troops still had the best weapons and training, but were no longer defined by the best armour. What made units like Napoleon's Old Guard feared was their high morale, and their unwillingness to flee. At Waterloo the Old Guard refused to surrender and died instead.

Do you think armies will still rout as in other TW games? Or will they surrender instead and be captured?

In that case the most elite troops will never surrender and always die. This is both a strength and a weakness. Napoleon and Frederick the Great only sent forward the Old Guard and the Giants when they were certain of victory.

Discuss.
Lord_Morningstar
Legionary
posted 09 April 2008 02:18 EDT (US)     161 / 254       
Individual units and sometimes whole armies did rout during the game’s time period (the Spanish at Talavera, for example, or the chaotic flight of the Austrians over the Satchen ponds at Austerlitz). Certainly people who fear immediate death often don’t obey orders. As such, I imagine that units and armies will still continue to rout just as they’ve always done in TW games.

I agree about elite units and morale, though, although I imagine they’ll also shoot faster and more accurately and be better in hand-to-hand combat. And most of us here seem to want some sort of surrender option in the game, even if it’s only something similar to the system used in MTW.
Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 09 April 2008 05:50 EDT (US)     162 / 254       
I was thinking about morale...

(1) In that era armies didn't rout, they withdrew when they saw they couldn't win.
Incorrect. If anything, with the professional core of the army slowly dissolving and being replaced a national levy element, routs became more frequent during the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars. A larger percentage of the army was non-professional in 1800 than there had been in 1700, when regiments were basically sub-contractors in government employ who recruited and drilled their men. By 1800, however, countries started to draft men in large numbers to keep their army sizes up. There were only few exceptions to this (most notably the UK).
(2) There was greater distance between the armies, so less ability to chase them down.
The armies were larger, but to come to effective grips the armies did have to move very close to each other. The effective range for musketfire was described by contemporaries as being the distance where you could see the white of the eyes of your opponent, and it was best not to shoot before the enemy was that close. I don't know the exact distance, which will of course depend on your own eyesight also, but if you walk through the streets and observe those approaching you, and then realise how short this distance really is, you'll come to see that the distance between armies was not that big.
Despite having muskets and cannon, the armies were still a close quarters affair, and the bayonet or the butt of the musket were still frequently employed during battle.
(3) Elite troops still had the best weapons and training, but were no longer defined by the best armour. What made units like Napoleon's Old Guard feared was their high morale, and their unwillingness to flee. At Waterloo the Old Guard refused to surrender and died instead.
That's a nice legend reinforced by 19th century French nationalist sentiment, and while the guard didn't really surrender, they didn't die either; they escorted Napoleon off the field.
Certainly, guard units fled less easily, but they would flee just the same in the wrong situation. They could pack more of a punch, however, and it was the strength of Napoleon's guards that eventually got him out of Russia.

Kor | The Age of Chivalry is upon us!
Wellent ich gugk, so hindert mich / köstlicher ziere sinder,
Der ich e pflag, da für ich sich / Neur kelber, gaiss, böck, rinder,
Und knospot leut, swarz, hässeleich, / Vast rüssig gen dem winder;
Die geben müt als sackwein vich. / Vor angst slach ich mein kinder
Offt hin hinder.
Andalus
Legionary
posted 11 April 2008 15:33 EDT (US)     163 / 254       
I stand corrected!

Perhaps I was thinking of a slightly earlier era, when armies were smaller and more professional. Eg English Civil War (Discounting the early Parliamentary army) If I'm still wrong feel free to crush me into the dirt again.

[This message has been edited by Andalus (edited 04-11-2008 @ 03:40 PM).]

Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 19 April 2008 16:42 EDT (US)     164 / 254       
Well, routs are pretty much inevitable with any army, given the right conditions; seeing as even the quite professional mercenary armies were often supplemented with draftees and regiments replenished with inexperienced youth or even people pressed into service against their will, discipline was often relative and restricted to the truly elite regiments (and even there it could falter and lead to a rout).

The few battles where no rout took place (such as Lafelt in 1747) went that way because one or both sides did not fully commit, in stead concentrating on a small patch. At Lafelt for example the fighting only really happened in and around Lafelt, a village on a ridge with a hedge around it. The Austrians defended the place (the Dutch and British were also present, but holding a line stretching kilometres) while the Irish regiments of the French army charged the village and captured it, lost it and retook it, at which point the allied army just quit the field. An English cavalry commander then led what was basically a suicide run against the French to keep them from chasing.
This can be seen as a typical example of an ordered withdrawal, but it was caused primarily by both sides being unwilling to give it their all, a strategical problem of the time (cautious campaigning) rather than a reflection of high discipline among the troops.

Kor | The Age of Chivalry is upon us!
Wellent ich gugk, so hindert mich / köstlicher ziere sinder,
Der ich e pflag, da für ich sich / Neur kelber, gaiss, böck, rinder,
Und knospot leut, swarz, hässeleich, / Vast rüssig gen dem winder;
Die geben müt als sackwein vich. / Vor angst slach ich mein kinder
Offt hin hinder.
Primo
Legionary
(id: Marcus Orentius)
posted 09 May 2008 19:38 EDT (US)     165 / 254       
It's going to be interesting to see how people handle the British Empire. Will it be like the WRE in BI? lots of land but hard to control?

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Mechstra
Banned
posted 09 May 2008 19:40 EDT (US)     166 / 254       
In 1700, the British Empire barely existed. For one thing, it was the English Empire at that point, and was pretty much just some American holdings.

The period Empire covers is when the British Empire started to expand.
Primo
Legionary
(id: Marcus Orentius)
posted 09 May 2008 19:48 EDT (US)     167 / 254       
Forgot what time period the game started. so it's pretty much England in M2Tw with some American territories?

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Lord_Morningstar
Legionary
posted 10 May 2008 00:48 EDT (US)     168 / 254       
I imagine it will be England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland plus the American holdings. Depending on when exactly the game starts, they might get Gibraltar and Minorca (if such territories exists).
tsar_adam
Legionary
posted 08 June 2008 20:20 EDT (US)     169 / 254       
i need this game. this is one of my favorite time periods. this game would probaly destroy my computer so im goin to try and get a new computer. i cant wait to play as the swedes or russians

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MarinusPaulus
Legionary
posted 27 June 2008 07:12 EDT (US)     170 / 254       
I just can't wait the Empire to come, woth thrills me most are the naval battles nice to imagine See Dogs and TW combined in one expirence, as I sad, I just can't wait another thing exiting is the cover option is as like in Company of heros and hosuing idea is preaty good too I reacon that is some kind of trend in gaming but i expect it with my arms wide opend,,just can't wait the fall/winter 2008 to come!!! And this hot summer to end too and to get started sailing towords the New Worlds...
Primo
Legionary
(id: Marcus Orentius)
posted 21 July 2008 16:52 EDT (US)     171 / 254       
Quick note, 6 smilies per post does NOT make you automatically awesome, contrary to popular belief.

But yes, I'm looking forward to it as well, but it won't be out till spring 09.

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Guy Fawkes
Legionary
posted 01 August 2008 04:28 EDT (US)     172 / 254       
"I imagine it will be England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland plus the American holdings. Depending on when exactly the game starts, they might get Gibraltar and Minorca (if such territories exists)."
Probably also a few outposts in India and the West Indies (Jamaica etc.).

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SpartanOfShadowz
Legionary
posted 03 August 2008 12:48 EDT (US)     173 / 254       
i will play as the thirteen collonies because im ameriacan of course. it will be fun to manage a small power into an empire.

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Guy Fawkes
Legionary
posted 18 August 2008 05:18 EDT (US)     174 / 254       
I was wondering how CA will do the British military.

I mean, during this period we put a strong emphasis on our navy, so we'll probably get all sorts of uber-naval units. But I hope this means that we aren't landed with rubbish land forces. Maybe a good way to balance the game would be to make Britain's military units more expensive than those of other nations, which would accurately reflect the fact that Britain's army was quite small during this period.

"[President Warren G. Harding's speeches] leave the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea; sometimes, these meandering words actually capture a straggling thought, and bear it triumphantly, a prisoner in their midst, until it dies of servitude and over-work." -- William McAdoo
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Gaius Colinius
Seraph Emeritus
posted 19 August 2008 17:56 EDT (US)     175 / 254       
I suspect that fans of the redcoats have nothing to fear in terms of them being nerfed. Expect them to be strong, if not quite as strong as French infantry.

-Love Gaius
TWH Seraph, TWH Grand Zinquisitor & Crazy Gaius the Banstick Kid

Got news regarding Total War games that should be publicised? Then email m2twnews@heavengames.com. My blog.
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