Then me as the Seleucids and Ben as the Macedonians play Wartz as the Carthaginians and Creon as the Scipii in a seige. Ben bought a ton of onagers and managed to rout two units of Armored Elephants right away. I tried to use Scythed Chariots to great effect. They broke against a unit of Armored Elephants before the Phants were sent running amok. Later uses were more successful. After a break was opened in our walls I send one through Creon's legionaries, sending plenty of the to the ground, and a few to the grave. They were routed though when they took a casualty, but then started running amok in the middle of his formation. Another unit I managed to use to plow around two units of Sacred Band Infantry, causing a couple of casualties, but managing to get them into Creon's 4-5 units of archers. They caused havoc, but again were sent running amok. We had taken plenty of casualties from onager fire by now, but still had a strong phalanx wall in a choke point. Creon dis-engaged them to counter a few cavalry charges. It was going well until the general was killed either by Ben or some friendly arrow fire. The legions routed, and Creon made a noble attemp by hitting our flanks with archers, but it was all in vain. We won, but this game is proof that we should be able to give the defenders and attackers different budgets, esspecially in seige situations.