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Topic Subject:New faction feature: Spain
Hussarknight
Seraph Emeritus
posted 19 December 2008 09:39 EDT (US)         
That's right: a new faction feature! This time it tells us more about Spain, a country with large colonies but a backward economy and a feeble-minded king. They have lost some of their greatness, so it is up to you to lead them back to the top.

The full faction feature can, as always, be found here on the official Empire: Total War site. Feel free to drop your thoughts in this thread.

          Hussarknight
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Gallowglass
Legionary
posted 19 December 2008 10:48 EDT (US)     1 / 15       
Spain owns the Spanish Netherlands after all, then?

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Legion Of Hell
Centurion
posted 19 December 2008 12:11 EDT (US)     2 / 15       
Funnily enough at uni the lecture on my Americas module was New Spain and the reforms it made after the death of the last Haspburg King Charles II.....who my lecturer called a retard for he really was one.

Spain should be intresting because in 1700 Charles II died and that's the Haspburgs in Spain gone and a possible successor was Phillip of Anjou......heir to the Bourbon French throne and then a few years after that was the Wars Of The Spanish Succession.

So it should be an intresting faction to play what with their colonies in the New World. Didn't they have Florida and California at this time along with large parts of South America?

General Rawlinson- This is most unsatisfactory. Where are the Sherwood Foresters? Where are the East Lancashires on the right?

Brigadier-General Oxley- They are lying out in No Man's Land, sir. And most of them will never stand again.

Two high ranking British generals discussing the fortunes of two regiments after the disastrous attack at Aubers Ridge on the 9th May 1915.
Woolagaroo
Legionary
posted 19 December 2008 13:02 EDT (US)     3 / 15       
No, Spain does not control the Netherlands (not all of them). If you look at the screens we have for the campaign or contemporary maps, you see that they control what is now Belgium, but we know for a fact that the Netherlands (or United Provinces, or Holland, whatever) is an independent faction.
On a side note, I figured they might preview a southern European faction next; I was just wondering whether it would be Spain or an Italian faction.

Deutschland erwartet, dass jeder Mann seine Pflicht tun wird.
Россия ожидает, что каждый исполнит свой долг.
Legion Of Hell
Centurion
posted 19 December 2008 13:40 EDT (US)     4 / 15       
I think the next one is either going to be the Prussians or the ******* that are the 13 Colonies or maybe the Mughal Empire based in India.

General Rawlinson- This is most unsatisfactory. Where are the Sherwood Foresters? Where are the East Lancashires on the right?

Brigadier-General Oxley- They are lying out in No Man's Land, sir. And most of them will never stand again.

Two high ranking British generals discussing the fortunes of two regiments after the disastrous attack at Aubers Ridge on the 9th May 1915.
Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 19 December 2008 13:59 EDT (US)     5 / 15       
No, Spain does not control the Netherlands (not all of them). If you look at the screens we have for the campaign or contemporary maps, you see that they control what is now Belgium, but we know for a fact that the Netherlands (or United Provinces, or Holland, whatever) is an independent faction.
Gallowglass was actually correct, though - Belgium in this period (minus the bishopric of Liège, which was independent, and the county of Dalhem, which was a Dutch possession) was known as the Spanish Netherlands at the time and was most definitely a Spanish possession.

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Woolagaroo
Legionary
posted 19 December 2008 17:01 EDT (US)     6 / 15       
Yeah, well we already knew that, and the faction feature actually didn't say anything about Spain's European holdings (which are going to include more than just the Spanish Netherlands).

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Россия ожидает, что каждый исполнит свой долг.
Gaius Colinius
Seraph Emeritus
posted 20 December 2008 07:02 EDT (US)     7 / 15       
Can't wait. They could be a very interesting faction to play with!
The strategic position alone makes them worth a go.

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Waffentraeger
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(id: Daelon)
posted 22 December 2008 19:50 EDT (US)     8 / 15       
I think the Spanish will be good super power, with their huge armada ships and calvary, they will put any player in for a run for their money. I am curious to see whether they have typically larger ships than all the other factions.
Woolagaroo
Legionary
posted 22 December 2008 22:52 EDT (US)     9 / 15       
The ships of the Armada were not really bigger than others, they were just regular galleons and armed merchant ships. The strength of the armada was that there were so many ships.
However, this is irrelevant because the 'Spanish Armada' was a fleet destroyed by the English in 1588, and not in the time frame of this game (n fact, the ships of the Armada would be small by eighteenth century standards).

Deutschland erwartet, dass jeder Mann seine Pflicht tun wird.
Россия ожидает, что каждый исполнит свой долг.
Waffentraeger
Legionary
(id: Daelon)
posted 22 December 2008 23:31 EDT (US)     10 / 15       
I wasn't really thinking of the 1500's, but thanks for that gesture.
Boetje
Legionary
posted 23 December 2008 03:09 EDT (US)     11 / 15       
However, this is irrelevant because the 'Spanish Armada' was a fleet destroyed by the English in 1588, and not in the time frame of this game (n fact, the ships of the Armada would be small by eighteenth century standards).
oh! ohh!! ooh!! wait! that has something to do with the netherlands and our 80 years war!!!

Kooooooooooor??????

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Legion Of Hell
Centurion
posted 23 December 2008 04:22 EDT (US)     12 / 15       
The Spanish Armada wasn't actually fully destroyed by English ships.

A significant amount of them were sunk or damaged by the rocky weather of the North Sea as they had to go around Scotland and into the Irish Sea seeing the English Channel was blocked by English ships after the battle, trying to cut off their retreat back into Spanish territory.

General Rawlinson- This is most unsatisfactory. Where are the Sherwood Foresters? Where are the East Lancashires on the right?

Brigadier-General Oxley- They are lying out in No Man's Land, sir. And most of them will never stand again.

Two high ranking British generals discussing the fortunes of two regiments after the disastrous attack at Aubers Ridge on the 9th May 1915.
Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 23 December 2008 05:07 EDT (US)     13 / 15       
oh! ohh!! ooh!! wait! that has something to do with the netherlands and our 80 years war!!!

Kooooooooooor??????
You called, m'luhd?

The Dutch rebels removed the depth markings from along the Flemish coast. As there were a lot of shoals, this contributed to Spanish ships running around near Gravelines (Flanders). They also blockaded Dunkirk to prevent the Spanish troops from Flanders embarking on the Armada. My history teacher in high school said the Dutch also sent in fire ships, but I never heard anything about this elsewhere (the English sent them in, afaik) and she also got the name of William of Orange's assassin wrong, so she was probably wrong.

The Republic's admiral Maarten Tromp also defeated a Spanish armada at the battle of Duins in 1639.

Kor | The Age of Chivalry is upon us!
Wellent ich gugk, so hindert mich / köstlicher ziere sinder,
Der ich e pflag, da für ich sich / Neur kelber, gaiss, böck, rinder,
Und knospot leut, swarz, hässeleich, / Vast rüssig gen dem winder;
Die geben müt als sackwein vich. / Vor angst slach ich mein kinder
Offt hin hinder.
Lord_Morningstar
Legionary
posted 23 December 2008 06:36 EDT (US)     14 / 15       
It is true that, during the Napoleonic Wars, the Spanish typically used some of the largest ships of the line. The Santísima Trinidad, for example, had some 140 guns and was the largest warship in the world from when it was launched in 1769 to when it sank after the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. That said, such ships were the exceptions rather than the rule.
Andalus
Legionary
posted 23 December 2008 21:57 EDT (US)     15 / 15       
Another point about the Spanish Armada is they never actually sailed to invade. The English ships attacked them as they sailed to the Netherlands, thus were technically more vulnerable.
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