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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 03 July 2011 12:13 EDT (US)         
Welcome, traveller, to Land of Albion: Total War. This mod covers England, Scotland and Wales from 100BC to 60AD. If you wish to help, head to the recruiting & personnel thread. We will have 1 thread to mapping, art, soundtrack and coding. All these threads are to remain open at all times. Each faction will have a thread, and these will also remain open, as there is no need to restrict our work.

It is for M2TW kingdoms version 1.5

Faction List:

Druids (papal states-esque faction with Anglesey) non-playable (This is of the Subsidence farming (Brythonic) culture, but controls all non-roman factions)
Minor Tribes (rebel) non-playable

Roman Culture
SPQR (invades Kent in 55BC) emergent, non-playable
Imperium (invaded Essex in 43AD) emergent, non-playable

All the below are playable

Southeastern Culture
Atrebates (Hampshire, Thames Valley)
Cantaci (Kent)
Trinovantes (Essex, Suffolk)
Iceni (Norfolk)
Regenses (Surrey, Sussex)
Catuvellauni (Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire)

Peripheral Zone culture
Durotriges (Somerset, Dorset)
Dobunni (Herefordshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire)
Corieltauvi (Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire, Leicestershire)
Cornovii (Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Cheshire)

Subsistence Farming culture (Brythonic)
Silures (South Wales)
Ordovices (North Wales)
Brigantes (Yorkshire, Lancashire, Durham)
Damnonii (Strathcylde and Central Scotland)
Votadini (Cumbria and Galloway)

Subsistence Farming culture (Pictish)
Caledonii (Scottish Highlands)
Taexali (Aberdeenshire)


21 factions in total, 17 playable.

Units.
The emphasis is to be accuracy, and ahistorical units, like the head-throwing dudes in the vanilla RTW, have no place in this mod. The main weapons were spear and shield, with most carrying javelins as well. Archers are rare, specialised units, missile will be mostly slingers. Cavalry should be in all factions, with Chariots more common in British forces.

Recruitment will be in a barracks and a chariot builders, merging several chains of construction into 1. The first few buildings will be levies, and then unlocking more elite warrior units later on

In 43AD, when the empire invades, a Marian Reforms-esque event should unlock guerilla-themed units.

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy

[This message has been edited by Generalscruff (edited 08-07-2011 @ 04:59 PM).]

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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 03 July 2011 14:33 EDT (US)     1 / 9       
Cultures
Brythonic/Pictish is not really the way to go. Barry Cunliffe (and I) would advise a Southeastern culture (the Southeast, an arc from Hampshire to Norfolk - oppida and unfortified villages), Peripheral Zone culture (basically West Country and Midlands - a few hillforts governing surrounding farms), and a Subsistence Farming Economy culture (Cornwall, Devon, Wales and everything to the North). You could divide this last one into Pictish/British variants.

That's the archaeological reality of it anyway. Using that system might allow you to get a bit closer to how it actually was. I'll try and post a map to show what Zi mean.

Troop types
The Britons definitely did use lots of cavalry as well as chariots. There is plenty of documentary evidence (Caesar, Tacitus, Vindolanda letters) and archaeological (specific kinds of horse tackle) to prove this beyond question. You are right that they didn't use bows in war, steer well clear of them.

It might be an idea to distinguish two "grades" of infantry for the barbarians: tribal levies and warriors. It was a significant class distinction.

That should be enough to be going on with.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 03 July 2011 14:49 EDT (US)     2 / 9       
Right, thank you. Your cultures seem like the right way to go, so I'll edit the OP accordingly. I have also put the Corieltauvi in with the peripheral, because they were very agricultural, but beyond subsistence farming, in that they had a lot of trade and a currency system

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy

[This message has been edited by Generalscruff (edited 07-03-2011 @ 02:55 PM).]

GeneralKickAss
Legionary
posted 03 July 2011 21:15 EDT (US)     3 / 9       
This all looks very juicy and mouth-watering...


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Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 04 July 2011 03:28 EDT (US)     4 / 9       
I have also put the Corieltauvi in with the peripheral, because they were very agricultural, but beyond subsistence farming, in that they had a lot of trade and a currency system
That's right, sorry I should have been more specific.

The Carvetii and Damnonii should in Brythonic subsistence, not Pictish; I was thinking you would use yhe Pictish culture to show buildings like brochs and duns, and the Carvetii and Damnonii had more in common with the more Southern tribes in that sense. Also, the Uotadini have a more interesting history than the Damnonii, and an awesome mediaeval Welsh epic poem to boot (which I am trying to memorise ). I would use the Votadini not the Damnonii if I were you.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 04 July 2011 10:42 EDT (US)     5 / 9       
Ok, thanks, done.

I will probably use most of your suggestions, as you have a much better knowledge of the period than me

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 08 July 2011 13:28 EDT (US)     6 / 9       
Catuvellauni should be in the Southeastern culture, they were very much a part of what Barry Cunliffe calls the "core zone".

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 07 August 2011 17:00 EDT (US)     7 / 9       
I can't believe I forgot that. accidently put it there. fixed.

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 07 August 2011 19:42 EDT (US)     8 / 9       
It may be a good idea to edit a link into each faction name to the thread discussing that faction, just to make it look smarter.
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 08 August 2011 09:32 EDT (US)     9 / 9       
Ooh, Liam's getting all up-to-date on us...

Copy and paste at will:
FACTIONS

Non-playable

Subsistence Culture:
  • Druids (papal states-esque faction with Anglesey - This controls all non-roman factions)
  • Minor Tribes (rebels)

    Roman Culture:
  • Caesar (invades Kent in 55BC) emergent, non-playable
  • Roman Empire (invaded Essex in 43AD) emergent, non-playable

    Playable

    Southeastern Culture:
  • Catuvellauni (Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire)
  • Trinovantes (Essex, Suffolk)
  • Iceni (Norfolk)
  • Cantiaci (Kent)
  • Atrebates (Hampshire, Thames Valley)
  • Regenses (Surrey, Sussex)

    Peripheral Culture:
  • Durotriges (Somerset, Dorset)
  • Dobunni (Herefordshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire)
  • Cornovii(Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Cheshire)
  • Corieltauvi (Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire, Leicestershire)

    Subsistence Culture:
  • Silures (South Wales)
  • Ordovices (North Wales)
  • Brigantes (Yorkshire, Lancashire, Durham)
  • Damnonii (Strathcylde and Central Scotland)
  • Votadini (Cumbria and Galloway)

    Pictish Culture:
  • Caledonii (Scottish Highlands)
  • Taexali (Aberdeenshire)

  • EDORIX
    ~ ancient briton ~

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    [This message has been edited by Edorix (edited 08-08-2011 @ 09:46 AM).]

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