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Topic Subject:Traits & Retinue
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 05 July 2011 12:12 EDT (US)         
We'll be discussing character traits and retinues here. We'll keep a lot of the vanilla traits, and ditch most of the retinue. Traits do not need much altering, although it would be good to have new retinue members. I would think a 'Druid' would be a good one, as would 'Bard'.

The 3 main things, in the vanilla RTW, are 'Command', 'Management' and 'Influence'. this has no need to change, I don't think

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 05 July 2011 12:30 EDT (US)     1 / 26       
Druidess

And I thought this was for M2TW?
Big Red Rob
Legionary
(id: Feudal Principes)
posted 05 July 2011 12:42 EDT (US)     2 / 26       
I was also thinking m2tw. A typo probably.
A druid would be a good retinue member, giving a morale boost, or giving +1 command/morale when fighting Romans due to their vehement anti-roman sentiments. If the faction has been excommunicated, or the druidic equivalent, then is it possible to that they cannot have druids, i.e remove them and don't allow them another with the m2 engine? Like excommunicated catholics not having holy retinue members.
A huntsman/ forester, somebody who would be comfortable in woodlands, who gives a boost when ambushing. Could have a description like ' A man at home in the dense forests of Albion '
GladiatorOfRome
Legionary
posted 05 July 2011 13:21 EDT (US)     3 / 26       
woad could be a good trait adding +1 morale or something similar. Or having a druid that specializes in a certain god and grant a different bonus than just a druid.

Libertas dulcior merita
-Freedom is sweeter when earned
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 05 July 2011 13:23 EDT (US)     4 / 26       
Maybe Valour, Command and Influence instead of management?

In SubRosa's AmazonTW, each faction had a special object which was portrayed as a retinue member. If lost there was a random chance of it re-appearing later. For LoA, we could have things like the Cauldron of Rebirth, Excalibur, the Torc of Bendigeidfran, stuff like that (a lot will have to be made up though). What do you think?

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 05 July 2011 13:31 EDT (US)     5 / 26       
er, sorry, to clarify. This IS for m2Tw, but we'll be using the 3 1-10 figures every character has in RTW, I don't think Chivalry and Piety really cut the mustard here

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 05 July 2011 17:29 EDT (US)     6 / 26       
Just change the name. Taking them out may have an effect on if a faction gets excommunicated, I think. Plus it will just be annoying trying to change it.

Piety, just change to, well, let Edorix come up with the best word. Honor?

Also, Chivalry and Dread could be turned into Chivalry=Roman-ised and Dread=Can't think of the word. Loyal to Briton? Then give Dread some bad effects with the tribes and the Druids, but makes Romans like you or something, and Dread makes the tribes and Druids like you...

Woad
Druid
Druidess (it's gotta go in. Call it GKA or something for a laugh.)
Wardog?
Decorated Hero
Decorated champion
Roman slave (Tribes only)
(Enter Briton culture here) slave.
Exotic goods? "Few come from over the sea, but they bring fine materials"
Bodyguard
Armor? "This man has killed a Roman General and taken this as prize" *+Alot to Generals defence but -1 to Piety/British equivalent?*
Strong Wife
Wound "This man has suffered a terrible wound in battle" *-3/4 to attack*
Green wound "This man has suffered a terrible would, but nevertheless went to battle, and got an infection" *-3/4 to attack, +2 Unrest (Or something)*
Nervous *-1 to command*
Very Nervous *-2 to command*
Coward "This man weeps in his mothers arms at the site of a Roman..." *-3 to command*
Religious
Religious Fanatic
Likes little boys *-a load of stuff*
Strong Chariot *+1 Command, +2 hitpoints for General*

There are loads, here are a few.
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 05 July 2011 17:36 EDT (US)     7 / 26       
In Extended Cultures, if an army is in friendly land, it gets a trait "In friendly land", if they cross the border they get "Crossed border" nd if they are deep in enemy territory it will have "In enemy lands". Obviously in enemy lands will have bad effects and in friendly lands will have good effects. How about putting this in LoA?

And if the tribe has quite a bit of money, the armies will have "Well fed" or "Well suplied" (Maybe they could be different levels?), but if you are low on money it will have "Underfed" or "Ill-supplied" or something, giving negative effects.
GladiatorOfRome
Legionary
posted 05 July 2011 17:45 EDT (US)     8 / 26       
That got a little confusing, did you mean chivalry equals loyal to briton and dread equals friendly with rome? its weird the other way around.

I do like the traits
woad+1 moral?
druid+2 loyalty to Briton, +1 command
druidess+5 fertility
torc+1 command, +1 morale for ?nobles?

Libertas dulcior merita
-Freedom is sweeter when earned
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 06 July 2011 10:46 EDT (US)     9 / 26       
Command
Influence
Management
Honour (Dishonourable, then Honourable)

What do you think? I don't think a 'British/Roman' thing would be good, given that the Romans are emergent. Although, if this goes well, we could make an expansion about Roman controlled Britain, and that would be more suitable then

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Big Red Rob
Legionary
(id: Feudal Principes)
posted 06 July 2011 12:38 EDT (US)     10 / 26       
I agree with those, command, management, influence and honour.
Honour could be very important perhaps!
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 08 July 2011 13:29 EDT (US)     11 / 26       
I don't know why so many people are suggesting woad as trait/retinue. All Britons used it: omnes Britanni se uitro inficiunt, quod caeruleum efficit colorem. Caesar, BG, Book 5 somewhere.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 08 July 2011 13:30 EDT (US)     12 / 26       
So. We could still have it...
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 08 July 2011 17:04 EDT (US)     13 / 26       
'Woad Artist' could give some attack or morale bonus, but I see no need for just 'woad'.

'Woadish' could be a trait, for a character who is very British, in contrast to the Romans though

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
GladiatorOfRome
Legionary
posted 09 July 2011 03:22 EDT (US)     14 / 26       
well all britons could have it as just a slight bonus. as something over the technology of the romans

Libertas dulcior merita
-Freedom is sweeter when earned
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 11 July 2011 13:12 EDT (US)     15 / 26       
In my mod, units with woad count as having armour. Magic properties and all that. Useful against cowards with arrows.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 11 July 2011 13:38 EDT (US)     16 / 26       
I wouldn't think that a good idea, but each to their own..

I think an attack and morale bonus is better

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 12 July 2011 06:35 EDT (US)     17 / 26       
That's cos you're not a Druidic Pagan like me.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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(dis ma house)
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 12 July 2011 10:54 EDT (US)     18 / 26       
:O

I think it's odd actually believing in an ancient culture's religion. Knowing all about it is one thing, but to worship their deities is another all together

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 25 July 2011 15:12 EDT (US)     19 / 26       
How about "Thick layer of woad"? Very good at deflecting arrows and swords...
GladiatorOfRome
Legionary
posted 25 July 2011 20:42 EDT (US)     20 / 26       
It could be just one of those very common traits that almost all generals start out with

Libertas dulcior merita
-Freedom is sweeter when earned
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 27 July 2011 17:28 EDT (US)     21 / 26       
I think it's odd actually believing in an ancient culture's religion. Knowing all about it is one thing, but to worship their deities is another all together
Not to get off-topic too much, but you can believe in whatever you like. Depends entirely on what you mean by "believe" and "religion". I decided I was a Druidic Pagan cos it's cool and it appeals to me as an Ancient Briton , not because I find Druids' theological arguments convincing or anything like that.

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 28 July 2011 08:48 EDT (US)     22 / 26       
back to topic...

I think a "devout" and "hates the gods" set of traits may be good. the former could increase unit morale, and the latter management?

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Edorix
High King of Britain
posted 31 July 2011 12:48 EDT (US)     23 / 26       
The latter should have -500% personal security, -500% PO in all settlements, and immediate war with all other factions...

EDORIX
~ ancient briton ~

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(dis ma house)
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 07 August 2011 16:58 EDT (US)     24 / 26       
maybe it could make rebellions more likely. so, that would be a purely negative trait then.

Pious would increase troop morale and public order

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
Liam_the_Spartan
Banned
posted 07 August 2011 19:27 EDT (US)     25 / 26       
Okay, how about we get things organised around here? Scruffy, since this is your mod, any traits you like can you edit them into the OP. Then below each trait say if it is actually a trait or Retinue, then below that place possible effects. The effects can then be changed if anyone wants to disagree with the current effect. Then underneath that we will add (once we have them sorted), the possible triggers for those traits.

Just to keep things organised and make it look like we are actually getting somewhere instead of mumbling quietly about a few things

So something like this:
Name of Trait
Trait/Retinue
Effects of said trait
Triggers that improve good traits, or lower the bad trait
Triggers that lower the good trait, or improve the bad trait

Feels appreciated
Trait
+1 to loyalty
Wins a battle, 50% chance it will go up a level
Stays in a small village for 3 turns, 30% of the trait decreasing

Obviously we aren't going to concentrate too much on triggers at the moment, but it would be nice to organise things. If thing don't have effects said yet then leave a space and we will go through at the end and add everything missing.

Also, if the trait is in the same "Group", like feels appreciated and Feels unappreciated are, please do something like place them between:

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Feels unappreciated
.. blah blah...

Feels appreciated
.. blah blah...

Next level
.. blah blah...

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Earl Scruffles
Legionary
(id: generalscruff)
posted 19 August 2011 14:54 EDT (US)     26 / 26       
one trait I would like to see is a 'love romans' and 'hate romans' trait

Loathes Romans:
-50 to relationship with Romans
+2 command when fighting Romans
+1 Influence

Dislikes Romans:
-30 to relationship with Rome
+1 command when fighting romans

Distrusts Romans:
-10 to relationship with Rome
+10 relationship with Druids

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Likes Romans:
+10 to relationship with Rome
-10 relationship with Druids

Loves Romans:
+30 to relationship with Rome
-20 relationship with Druids

Emulates Romans:
+50 to relationship with Rome
-20 relationship with Druids
+2 to management

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
monkey in a suit on a cycle - Scenter102 describing Scruffy
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