Opinions on Revealed Factions and future DLC

Earl Scruffles
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posted 01 February 2013 10:52 EDT (US) 1 / 25

Your DLC suggestion is quite similar to what happened with ETW. There were 3 unit packs for the East, Europe and America.

I would like it to be like that though

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DominicusUltimus
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posted 01 February 2013 12:50 EDT (US) 2 / 25

Really? I had no idea they'd already done that. I kinda skipped over Empire and went to Napoleon and Shogun 2. Still that's very encouraging news. Hopefully CA will repeat that trend with the Rome 2 DLC instead of the single faction model that they used for Shogun 2.

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posted 01 February 2013 12:57 EDT (US) 3 / 25

Yeah, but the Empire DLC was for units only. Not for faction groups which is what you're suggesting. It's a great idea, I like it a lot. Faction DLC will be coming one way or another for sure.

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posted 03 February 2013 06:20 EDT (US) 4 / 25

I'm still hoping for the old "Initial set of factions then unlock more as you kill them in campaign" set up, but I doubt it

And we'll probably get some more unit DLCs- if they're not in already a Legions DLC a la RSII could go in.

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posted 03 February 2013 07:54 EDT (US) 5 / 25

I agree with EOJ...

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posted 04 February 2013 00:14 EDT (US) 6 / 25

I prefer the BI approach: if they're worth playing and alive at the beginning, they're unlocked.

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posted 04 February 2013 01:28 EDT (US) 7 / 25

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posted 05 February 2013 06:45 EDT (US) 8 / 25

I'm hoping it'll be as it was in Rome 1 as well, but I doubt CA will let a potential source of revenue escape them so easily. I'm interested to find out what the unit packs will be. The EB, RTR and RS teams managed to create hundreds of new units in their respective mods for Rome 1. However, I'm hoping CA makes Rome 2 mod friendly or releases a mod kit as they did for Shogun 2 a little while back. This would allow modders to create new playable factions or a completely new gameplay experience.

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posted 18 February 2013 04:59 EDT (US) 9 / 25

With the list of factions revealed almost complete, and the last two going to be Parthia and Ptolemic (at least that's my guess)

I will NEED a Seleucid faction DLC. Maybe Pontus and Bactria can be included to round it off nicely if they're not going to do them individually as in Shogun 2.

Other notable factions missing are the Scythians, Thrace and an Iberian tribe. This will round off the playable factions nicely on the map. Numidia would be nice too, but Carthage already controls a large portion of territory in the South West region.

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posted 18 February 2013 05:17 EDT (US) 10 / 25

I think if CA leave out the Selucids, they will angre alot of people who love that faction and its history(DU) and they couldnt risk that. I hope there are 9 factions at the beginning, out make it better for the starting/basic game

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posted 18 February 2013 05:26 EDT (US) 11 / 25

True, but Seleucia is probably the best option for a faction-DLC.

Shogun 2 was pretty limited in it's options, and went with obvious choices - factions that stand out from the others, the Warrior-Monks of the Ikko Ikki and the Christian Otomo on Kyushu. Rome II however will have many, many options for faction DLC.

I'm of the opinion 8 factions is what's going to come with the game. There will likely be a ninth for pre-order exclusive, but wouldn't including the Seleucids as this extra be even more inflammatory to raving crowds at certain other forums? It's more likely going to be a smaller faction; Pontus for example.

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posted 18 February 2013 07:17 EDT (US) 12 / 25

To be honest, I wouldn't blame them for raging in terms of DLC. I agree on it being something like Pontus though.

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posted 18 February 2013 10:07 EDT (US) 13 / 25

Quoted from AE:
I think if CA leave out the Selucids, they will angre alot of people who love that faction and its history(DU) and they couldnt risk that.

While my bias towards the Seleucids is plain for all to see, I wouldn't be that angry at CA since they've already included Antigonid Macedon and I'd be fine playing as them. That being said, it is also true that the Seleucids have a considerable following amongst the fanbase and more than a few would be up in arms if they weren't represented in some way.

As Afty says, the Seleucids would probably be best as a DLC since at the assumed start date of Rome 2 (272 -265 b.c.) the Seleucids were at the peak of their power and it might not be much of a challenge for players to assume the reins of an empire straight from the start. However, it's also true that the empire was surrounded by enemies and discontented vassals on all sides so I believe a Seleucid campaign would still be very fun and chaotic but only after people have gotten used to Rome 2 otherwise they'll be overwhelmed by having to deal with so many threats all at once.

As for a pre-order or limited/collector's edition exclusive faction, I too hope it is one of the smaller powers such as Pontus or even Attalid Pergamum. The general belief at TWC is that the pre-order exclusive faction will be Sparta since they've made a considerable impression in pop culture lately, but nothing's been confirmed by CA so far.

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posted 18 February 2013 10:24 EDT (US) 14 / 25

I'm by no means an advocate for historical accuracy, but I don't want to see Sparta over a "Greek City States" faction. I'd much prefer them be represented by being able to be recruited only in Sparta, like a provincial resource for example. Of course, this doesn't make much sense if the Romans capture the city and are granted the unit, but if the Macedonians or (if playable) City States hold the city they should be a high level/late game Phalanx unit.

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posted 18 February 2013 10:54 EDT (US) 15 / 25

Quoted from Afty:
I'm by no means an advocate for historical accuracy, but I don't want to see Sparta over a "Greek City States" faction. I'd much prefer them be represented by being able to be recruited only in Sparta, like a provincial resource for example.

Agreed. If there's going to be a pre-order exclusive Greek faction, I'd much rather have it be the Aetolian League or the Achaean League since both groups played significant parts in the early-to-middle Hellenistic Age, especially in the conflicts between Rome and the Successor Kingdoms.

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Earl Scruffles
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posted 20 February 2013 17:39 EDT (US) 16 / 25

The Spartans are iconic, but had largely fallen out of significance by this era. There will probably be a Greek Cities faction, even DLC or pre-order. I agree it would be best if that was the Achaean League or Aetolians.

A pre-order faction will be quite small, like the Hattori for S2TW, they had the USP of ninjas, but fairly small compared to the vanilla clans

But I won't go to England due to the prescence of scruffy in shottingham. - Scenter102
This is Scruff we are talking about. I can't think of anything I don't see Scruff doing just for the hell of it. - Agrippa 271
The cake was made by Scruffy and it was... a rude shape. - Liam
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[This message has been edited by Kapitein Scruff (edited 02-20-2013 @ 05:40 PM).]

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posted 21 February 2013 05:04 EDT (US) 17 / 25

I don't think the Greeks will be a pre order bonus, but later DLC. They're too close to Macedon. I'm of the opinion it's going to be a more unique/fan favourite - which is why I suggested Pontos.

I think I'm leaning towards the next two factions being Egypt and Seleucia, with Parthia as a pre-order DLC because it starts out small, and is unique.

Either way the suspense is killing me.

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DominicusUltimus
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posted 21 February 2013 06:51 EDT (US) 18 / 25

Agreed Afty. I was hoping CA would have another faction reveal this past Monday since that's usually when they reveal something new, but alas nothing. They might be waiting till March before they finally take the veil off of the East since they've already revealed quite a bit this month.

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EnemyofJupitor
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posted 21 February 2013 07:08 EDT (US) 19 / 25

Curses, I'll have to think of more things to put on the facebook page then

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Andalus
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posted 07 March 2013 06:47 EDT (US) 20 / 25

Why is everyone in the whole damn world equating eight faction reveals with only eight playable factions?

Oh, incidentally, faction #7 is Parthia (

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Punic Hebil
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posted 07 March 2013 12:15 EDT (US) 21 / 25

Technically there are more than 8 factions already. There are 3 for the Romans, 3 for the Carthaginians, and then the rest which we have no idea if they have separate families/clans/whatever or not.

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posted 08 March 2013 09:37 EDT (US) 22 / 25

I was never under the impression there won't be more factions done via DLC.

It'd be awesome if CA throws a curveball and the next faction is Scythia to occupy some of the vast expanse up there thus rounding out the initial 8 without Egypt or Seleucia. Then releasing both in a Diadochi pack like Dominicus suggested in the OP.

I'm officially on the Pontic and Bactrian bandwagons. I need those two at some point

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Andalus
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posted 09 March 2013 06:38 EDT (US) 23 / 25

via DLC.

via missing my point.

I will not buy this game until is complete. And I'd like to think that point will coincide with the official release.

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posted 09 March 2013 07:12 EDT (US) 24 / 25

Not in this day and age buddy!

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posted 09 March 2013 10:17 EDT (US) 25 / 25

I agree with Afty. The days when players could simply modify a few files and make every faction playable passed into history long ago. That being said, I understand the point of view of anti-DLC players who wish to have every single aspect of a game available from the moment they install it. However, no one is forcing unwilling players to buy DLC and I do not understand why so many of them are eager to voice their dislike for it at the earliest opportunity.

To get back to the main topic, I think it's all but certain that there will be a considerable number of DLC in the future perhaps even within the first month of release. However, CA has said that they're unwilling to discuss any type of modability for Rome 2 until the game is complete so they may actually surprise us by making the game mod friendly. This is all speculation on my part, but given the respectful treatment that CA has given modders in the Total War community (the most notable example being the conference last year) there's a good chance this could be the most accessible Total War game since the original Rome.

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