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Rozanov
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posted 09 June 2006 08:43 EDT (US)   
having had the problem of MTW crashing randomly after installing RTW i suspected that something in the installation of one interefered with the other.

however wandering through forums elsewhere it seems the problem may be with anti-aliasing.

i turned it off in RTW so that i could get screen grabs.

However, it seems that MTW needs x2 anti-aliasing to work properly.

can't guarantee this will solve all problems but will report back to see if it has solved my problem.

(even curioser - VI works fine but MTW crashes.)

UPDATE: well with my nVidia fx5200 you need anti-alaising to be application controlled to get the program to load, fixing it at x2 stops it loading.

and even then the program suffers from random crashing.

only other suggestion is rolling back the graphics driver to something about three yeras old. not really an option, so MTW has been uninstalled for good.

UPDATE 2:

rolled back driver to 66.93 - problem same as before, game plays for about an hour (or even less) then crashes. autosave crashes on completing loading.

AND FINALLY:

downloaded 61.77 driver from nVidia and installed it. Hurrah! prog finally works without crashing. so if you have an oldish nVidia card and MTW keeps crashing try the 61.77 driver.

this is so annoying - i used to be able to play this on this machine, and now it refuses. just wish i could remember what i did to get it working!!
unless anyone has any other ideas?

[This message has been edited by Rozanov (edited 06-13-2006 @ 12:29 PM).]

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Gaius Colinius
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posted 31 March 2008 13:05 EDT (US)     1 / 23  
Stickied because anybody playing the game on a modern computer is almost certain to get the CTD.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 01 April 2008 05:00 EDT (US)     2 / 23  
Do you mean on windows vista?
Primo
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posted 31 July 2008 21:27 EDT (US)     3 / 23  
Not just Vista, though it probably happens there as well. I kept getting the problem on my XP box. Thanks for the tip! Is there any way around it with modern hardware?
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Andalus
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posted 01 August 2008 12:49 EDT (US)     4 / 23  
Are we talking about the CTD when one presses 'Esc' to go to the menu?

In which case, I have no idea. I just make sure I svae pretty much every turn to avoid it.
Gaius Colinius
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posted 01 August 2008 16:44 EDT (US)     5 / 23  
It's a random crash I believe and the solution is "rolling back" your graphics card drivers, which is an extreme solution but if you want to play MTW1, it's what has to be done.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 25 August 2008 13:59 EDT (US)     6 / 23  
I have a problem, I am able to start MTW but every time I start a campaign it CTDs, help?
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
Gaius Colinius
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posted 25 August 2008 18:07 EDT (US)     7 / 23  
The crash mentioned in the OP is a random one. It sounds like yours is different. Did you do any mods to files? Might be best to un-install and then re-install.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 26 August 2008 07:43 EDT (US)     8 / 23  
no mods, just patch 1.1
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
Gaius Colinius
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posted 26 August 2008 18:21 EDT (US)     9 / 23  
It does sound like a messed up install. Copy your saved games to a safe location, un-install and then do a fresh install. Make sure the game works before installing any patch. Then install the patch.
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ZBrisk
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posted 07 October 2008 16:47 EDT (US)     10 / 23  
I kept getting crashes trying to start any new campaign, but switching it to 800x600 campaign map resolution fixed it. No need to roll back drivers.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 07 October 2008 17:35 EDT (US)     11 / 23  
I try to make it 800x600 but it's greyed out.
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
ZBrisk
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posted 08 October 2008 03:34 EDT (US)     12 / 23  
How is it greyed out? The option is set by a slider. Actually never mind. Other people seem have their resolution limited as well. Odd.

Anyway, it turns out the game still crashed for me when loading a big battle, plus the loading times were horrid. So I tried the rollback to 61.77 or whatever it was...but it was too old to work on my card. So then I updated to the newest driver (178.13) and set all resolutions to 1280x1024. Now it works perfectly

I suggest to anyone with an Nvidia card having MTW problems to get the latest driver. If that fails, mess around with resolution settings.
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[This message has been edited by ZBrisk (edited 10-08-2008 @ 08:41 AM).]

Bulba Khan
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posted 08 October 2008 11:36 EDT (US)     13 / 23  
I have Intel
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
ZBrisk
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posted 08 October 2008 18:31 EDT (US)     14 / 23  
Graphics card, not processor.

To see what graphics card you have:
Start -> Run -> dxdiag -> Display

Chances are, your device name will either have "NVIDIA" or "ATI" in it.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 09 October 2008 13:04 EDT (US)     15 / 23  
It says Intel GMA3100, that is in device section.
In the other section it says version 6.14.0010.blah blah
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
ZBrisk
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posted 09 October 2008 14:51 EDT (US)     16 / 23  
Yikes. That's an integrated GPU. You might want to get a dedicated graphics card...and not just for MTW.
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Gaius Colinius
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posted 10 October 2008 11:48 EDT (US)     17 / 23  
ZBrisk is right Stormer. The integrated graphics card basically poaches your RAM to use for graphics. You should really look at getting a dedicated graphics card if you want to play anything other than the oldest games.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 10 October 2008 12:31 EDT (US)     18 / 23  
do you mean mine is old?
I can play RTW fine on full settings.
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
Palatine warrior
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posted 01 February 2009 04:13 EDT (US)     19 / 23  
I have a 2004 XP. Will the game CTD due to the graphics seeing as my box has a shitty graphics card anyway.
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Bulba Khan
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posted 01 February 2009 09:24 EDT (US)     20 / 23  
My card is 128mb is that ok?
I feel the same way I did after playing Stronghold 2 for about 15 minutes, like it was my birthday and all my friends had wheeled a giant birthday cake into the room, and I was filled with hopes dreams and desires when suddenly out of the cake pops out not a beautiful buxom maid, but a cranky old hobo that just shanks me then takes $60 dollars out of my pocket and walks away saying "deal, with it".
Radagast II
Legionary
posted 01 August 2009 16:14 EDT (US)     21 / 23  
I also have the CTD problem on entering the campaign map. Once I got in a full turn under standard conditions (800x600 32-bit color). But mostly it is instant death.

I used to play MTW on this machine with a Geforce 2, now have a Geforce 6200 with 6.14.11.6921 drivers.
Tehbuddha
Legionary
posted 18 December 2009 11:15 EDT (US)     22 / 23  
I had a CTD problem,
when i started the campaign/custom battle, it loaded the just shut of o the desktop.
i read somewhere to go to options>video then fix the screen resoloutuion to the one my screens on.
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markattotalwar
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posted 04 June 2010 03:00 EDT (US)     23 / 23  
Just re-installed on my XP machine, running at the lowest rez seems to alleviate the problem somewhat.
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