Well, of course its quite the contradiction... You only need the support from the people to be able to attack, after all your goal is to rid the roman empire of the senate. The senate will automatically start to hate you and fear you when your popularity with the people reaches 7 or 8 marks.

I'm not sure of question 1 and 3 myself. I think you don't need support from the Senate to attack Rome anyway, but I'm not sure.

However, if you do manage to take Rome, you will still have to fight the other 2 faction (or you can make peace of course).

I dont see why you would need senate favour since youre replacing them

I got a great message from them saying that if i didnt leave this city i would be outlawed (probably meaning that i could attack them). i got 10 turns before it happened but on the last turn when it did happen the game kept crashng every time .
I cant figure out how to make the people happy though. My thing is only at 3 and my cities happiness is all green or yellow. My senate is at 1, but i dont care. The only problem is that they investigate my family and then my guys commit suicide.

OK here's a quick rundown of how it works:

1. The senate: loves it when you complete missions - hates it when you fail missions or the people love you too much. If you get enough love from the people the senate will ask for your suicide, if you do not agree they will declare you an outlaw and all the roman factions will go to war with you.

2. The plebians: love you when you conquer foreign territories , also if there are games held in your honour by the senate as reward for completing missions.

If you get enough love from the people the senate will ask for your suicide, if you do not agree they will declare you an outlaw and all the roman factions will go to war with you.

In general when you get more than 30 territories start expecting trouble so strengthen your roman borders and prepare for trouble.

The senate also get pissed off if you fail missions, but I don't know whether this will actually lead to your being outlawed.

No. All it leads to is your guys commiting suicide. Very annoying

Also, if you attempt to assasinate Senate family members too often then they get a bit POed.

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So from what has been said and my own experience it seems that the senate will punish you for disobedience with investigations of corruption on your governors who will then kill themselves in shame. This is differemt to when they ask your FAction Leader to kill himself and you can refuse, which leads to war.

However, I assume to piss them off this much you have to fail 90%+ of their missions, I myself tend to fail about 10% of missions and have had no punishment for it.
The only time I get threatened with punishment so far is when I take my armies into lands of people who are allies with the Senate, at which point they threaten to investigate me if I don't leave in x turns.

seriously, their mission are often easily to accomplish, and yet it grants u a good portion of troops and money, see no reason to not do it for the most of the time.

how ever, it is important to "bribe" all the other roman faction leaders as often as u can. to slow their expand and strength so u can beat them up easily. cause they will ask ur leader to commit suicide after u got 9 marks or more with ur ppl. and it wont stop, they will keep asking u to execute ur leader.

it is just inevitable to fight the other roman faction as ur goal is to obtain rome and get ride of them

it is pretty hilarious when u occupy the entire 6 spot of the senate with ur fraction and yet they ask to execute ur leader who is tha "ponteus MAXIMUS"

Well I'd just like to give thanks for the replies. I'll let you all know what happens when I put in enough hours to get somewhere with my House Julii campaign.

How do you 'bribe' the other leaders? Do you just send the diplomat and offer payments for them to do stupid things?

[This message has been edited by EL_Kondor (edited 10-18-2004 @ 05:33 PM).]

El_Kondor, you bribe other armies to join your faction.

Quoted from Sharog:

Towards the end of the game, I'm streched out everywhere while the Scippi and Brutti have these huge, full banner strength armies circling around everywhere... when i try to go for the win, i'll make sure to have 50 provinces and then just take Rome (maybe even do what I did in tutorial campaign... build like 7 onagers to smash the walls so I don't waste a turn laying siege to the city, at which point Sciipi and Brutti would be close enough to break my siege and smash everything I have

Hey err body!

First of all I would advise going to the RTW strategy guide on Gamespy.com that focuses on laying Maximum Smackage down on the computer. It skips all the baby food and gets straight to the meat and potatoes. It covers building your economy building your army using your army on the battle map. It's an all encompassing higer level strategy guide that plans major moves from start to finish and it kicks major nads. I've been playing on Hard/Hard, I've only reloaded twice, I only lost a few naval battles, I own all of spain, and africa, I own 5 seats in the senate, the Senate loves me the poeople are starting to love me and all the while I'm just planning for the final battle by building a huge navy and fortifying my outlying citys. Oh and bringing all the generals that give kids nightmares to the front line. Basically the only thing that holds you back from attacking the senate is if the poeple support you. Who cares if the senate loves you, as long as they fear you!

Yeah. Turn them all on. I bribed all their armies, and I won 3 wonders, thus, winning the campaign.

Those huge Brutii n Scipii armies are pretty weak I found, I wiped out 6 full bannered armies with just 1, thats on hardest/hard also.

BTW, on the note of failing missions, when the senate get nasty, you get lots of "If you fail - The Quaestor/Censor will invesigate your faction", the key here is to have one of your guys in that position, and if not, assasinate the current one, it will make some random captain suicide instead of a family member.

Basically I don't do senate missions unless they suite me, until you reach 30+ lands under your belt, the senate are pretty harmless.

Try undermine Brutii and Scipii in the early game to make the final push for Imperator easier, feel free to assasinate and bribe them as much as you can. When you make the final push, you need to hit them hard at once, have at least 5-6 full bannered double hard armies with your top generals strategically placed throughout Italy, in ships or on land, and hit their capital cities simultaneously, try cripple them from the offset.

It's also nice to have a couple large but cheap armies ready to move in as local garrison once you captured so you can go conquer the next city.