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Topic Subject: Post Patch Elephant Usage
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posted 09 October 2004 02:11 EDT (US)   
I think this patch really messed up the elephants. Before they often used to cause a lot of superficial knockdown casualties, but now that's all they cause, making them almost useless in any multiplayer armies. Today I was using the Seleucids in multiplayer as usual, and as usual knew that elephants are a crucial part of any high budget Seleucid army right? Wrong! The new patch made the elephants pathetic. They're good for nothing but causing disorganization. They don't even provide that same crucial fear factor that they used to. I was fighting a huge Julii army today with no upgrades, and I told my Cataphract Elephants to charge straight into a unit of First Cohort Legionaries. I caused 3 deaths out of all of the soldiers knocked down. THREE un-upgraded legionaries died from a charge by Cataphract Elephants with 1 valor and 1 armor. For anyone who's strategy used to incorporate elephants, I now reccommend that unless you're fighting an all cavalry Parthian or Scythian noob, don't waste your money on these oversized mice. They're officially more useless than wardogs in multiplayer.

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posted 17 October 2004 08:59 EDT (US)     26 / 33  
wardogs are kinda good against slow units

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posted 21 October 2004 03:34 EDT (US)     27 / 33  
IMO Elephants are still EXTREMELY powerful. You used them wrong. I've won whole battles with elephants- ask Adder, in the forum party I crushed Mace's entire army with just my eles doing most of the work.
posted 21 October 2004 06:13 EDT (US)     28 / 33  
Huh so elephants still work? Does any body know the exatct stat? I luv elephants but i think it takes too long for them to die.They should of just reduced HP not HP and Attack. I dont think there is anything wrong with A very Powerful Stand-alone unit as long as its expansive and hard to get(which it useally is).
posted 21 October 2004 08:37 EDT (US)     29 / 33  
haha before the patch, i only had 150 men against war elephants and i still won although they were upgraded and i took 5 casualties cos most of my men were light auxilia and javelins do bonus vs elephants and they charged and were really demoralised and the prinicpes threw their javs and the triarii got hit and 5 died rest got back up and the principes closed the flank and scared the elephants shitless. then i charged the triarii away because they were gonna get ownnnnneddd!!!!. now they're gonna be easier. i did one urban cohort two triarii and one auxilia to take out the armoured ones. i took around 30 casualties. that was a bummer. now its gonna be even easier but defeats the purpose of eles. they should lower their hitpoints by 2 and leave it at that. i think if you get trampled by an elephant you would die, not being knocked over and getting up. being grounded temporarily from a large hit constitutes a reason to get up, but after flying 40 feet should break someone in half.
posted 22 October 2004 05:26 EDT (US)     30 / 33  
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but after flying 40 feet should break someone in half.
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Ha tell me about it i zoomed in at some charging eles They go right thur a whole unit preety fast Leaving a huge trail of corpes in there wakes.After the charge they use there trunks to deal with the survivors!
But i dont recall too many guys getting back up...
posted 22 October 2004 07:43 EDT (US)     31 / 33  
Getting hit by a bag of bricks in the chest(trampled by an elephant)will probably make the most hardened soldier to stay down for a long LONG while, especially with full equipment including a 15-20lbs segmented mail...might not feel heavy when you stand before the battle, but when you are in the mud trying to get up i think it will feel like a backpack full of lead.
posted 22 October 2004 08:06 EDT (US)     32 / 33  
The thing about elephants.. is they are too all or nothing. It works, you rout four units and the battle is over. It doesn't, your very expencive elephants kill a handful of men, panic and then run rampant around the battlefield. Overall I would say that online they seem to be increasingly used by the less skilled players, (in my humble judgement) simply because the more skilled players dont like betting everything on a very expencive unit.

Overall, I dont know what could be done to fix them, but I would tone down their cost, but make them a bit easier to kill.

posted 22 October 2004 14:39 EDT (US)     33 / 33  

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The thing about elephants.. is they are too all or nothing. It works, you rout four units and the battle is over. It doesn't, your very expencive elephants kill a handful of men, panic and then run rampant around the battlefield. Overall I would say that online they seem to be increasingly used by the less skilled players, (in my humble judgement) simply because the more skilled players dont like betting everything on a very expencive unit.
Overall, I dont know what could be done to fix them, but I would tone down their cost, but make them a bit easier to kill.

Well The way you describe elephants is exactly how they were in History - they'd either be contained and routed or they'd charge through the lines unchecked and probably rout the whole army. I think they could deal with being a tad weaker though.


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