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Legion Of Hell
Centurion
posted 28 November 2008 13:47 EDT (US)         
Will the Irish be in ETW? If so, how will they be implemented. With the Catholics in the south and the Protestants in Ulster?

I know that during the 18th C the British were always worried about encirclement with the French invading through the south and the French coming through Ireland, as they did in the past.

If there is a Ireland faction I sense Saxo/Gaius be tempted to do an AI and if the Irish have a navy I can see him naming the flagship the Gaius, or the Seraph.

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Brigadier-General Oxley- They are lying out in No Man's Land, sir. And most of them will never stand again.

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Gallowglass
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posted 28 November 2008 13:59 EDT (US)     1 / 33       
Ireland was part of the Kingdom of Great Britain at the time, Legion.

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Waffentraeger
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posted 28 November 2008 14:11 EDT (US)     2 / 33       
Of course you would ask this.

I don't think there will be, however possibly some Irish culture will be brought into the British.
Kor
Busschof Happertesch
(id: Derfel Cadarn)
posted 28 November 2008 14:16 EDT (US)     3 / 33       
It would be nice if France and Spain could hire mercenary Irish Guards, but the Irish certainly don't deserve their own faction. They were already subdued at the start of the game (if it starts at 1700) and they didn't even stage any proper revolts during this time.

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SpartanOfShadowz
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posted 28 November 2008 14:54 EDT (US)     4 / 33       
No ireland faction, but the irish faction
proud to be.

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Waffentraeger
Legionary
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posted 28 November 2008 15:08 EDT (US)     5 / 33       
Uh... what?
Gallowglass
Legionary
posted 28 November 2008 15:16 EDT (US)     6 / 33       

I think he means he wants Irish units and people to be involved in the game. That or he is calling for the reunion of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Sorry to tell you this, Spartan, but the civil war is over

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Waffentraeger
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posted 28 November 2008 16:30 EDT (US)     7 / 33       
Ah, righto. Well it might be part of those 50+ factions thing the devs were talking about.
sskrypteia
Legionary
posted 29 November 2008 05:00 EDT (US)     8 / 33       
Irish people are involved in the game. Arthur Wellesley comes to mind, and are they not supposed to be in the game?

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SpartanOfShadowz
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posted 29 November 2008 11:28 EDT (US)     9 / 33       
What civil war?

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Gallowglass
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posted 29 November 2008 11:31 EDT (US)     10 / 33       
The one in Northern Ireland about ten years ago

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SpartanOfShadowz
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posted 29 November 2008 15:57 EDT (US)     11 / 33       
I was 4 give me a break :P

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Boetje
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posted 09 December 2008 10:24 EDT (US)     12 / 33       
Ah, righto. Well it might be part of those 50+ factions thing the devs were talking about.
plausible.
probibly a rebel faction if someone of those brits treat the irsh like they were... were... Belgian or something...
(allee, i don't hate belgians i only think it is a comparable situation.)

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Gallowglass
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posted 09 December 2008 11:19 EDT (US)     13 / 33       
Ireland was ruled by the United Kingdom at the time - it will not be a separate faction.

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Roman Warlord
Legionary
posted 09 December 2008 16:31 EDT (US)     14 / 33       
I disagree slightly. While it may start out as part of as part of the UK, the region could rebel and create a faction callled Ireland.
Gallowglass
Legionary
posted 09 December 2008 16:54 EDT (US)     15 / 33       

Ah, true. But CA haven't put the Jacobites in.
...war in Ireland ended all hopes of a Stewart monarch...
That war was also fought in Scotland under Viscount Dundee, and there were three Risings after that (although the 1713 one kind of sucked...there was a fourth in 1719 that was a flash in a flash in a flash in a flash in a pan in the eye of a needle's arse).

If the Jacobites aren't in because of the new faction that would need to be created, then it's likely the Irish aren't, either.

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Gaius Colinius
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posted 09 December 2008 17:56 EDT (US)     16 / 33       
I seriously doubt there would be an Irish faction in the game because they didn't exist at the time. However, there was a major rebellion in 1798 and plenty of unrest throughout the 18th century so this may be incorporated. I'd also like to see Irish merc units being available as they served in many armies at the time.

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Waffentraeger
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posted 09 December 2008 18:07 EDT (US)     17 / 33       
It might be a rebel army for the brits to deal with.
Primo
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posted 09 December 2008 19:07 EDT (US)     18 / 33       
Or the Portuguese, if they're anything like they are in M2TW.

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wolfthe3rd
Legionary
posted 09 December 2008 20:22 EDT (US)     19 / 33       
No ireland faction, but the irish faction
proud to be.
RobertTheBruce
Legionary
posted 21 December 2008 13:02 EDT (US)     20 / 33       
it would be cool to have Prodestants in ulster and catholics in the south but the whole of Ireland was british up untill the 1900s.

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Gallowglass
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posted 21 December 2008 13:11 EDT (US)     21 / 33       

Nah, Protestants and Catholics won't be a factor in the same faction, I don't think. If they were, then Scotland would need to be Catholic (well, the Highlands, but it looks like they're included in 'Edinburgh region') and that would mean the Risings.
And CA has already ruled them out in their British faction preview.

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SwampRat
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posted 22 December 2008 03:07 EDT (US)     22 / 33       
Ah, true. But CA haven't put the Jacobites in.
I was looking through the official forums at the totalwar site on the Jacobite point - there's a moderate amount of discussion there (amongst the tonnes of discussion about other bit, to be fair there's lots of it on everything) and people seemed to agree that there would possibly be a Jacobite uprising if the conditions were right and the randomnumbergenerator die lands the right way.

People seemed to be mentioning some sort of official word from a CA person, but I couldn't see it. So that may just be me causing confusion.

Edit: I'll add a link for extra confuzzledness
http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/39319/t/Jacobite-rebellion.html

[This message has been edited by SwampRat (edited 12-22-2008 @ 03:17 AM).]

Waffentraeger
Legionary
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posted 22 December 2008 03:29 EDT (US)     23 / 33       
confuzzledness
Would that be Confucious? Or Confused? I don't speak latin.
Gallowglass
Legionary
posted 22 December 2008 05:36 EDT (US)     24 / 33       

Odd. In the British faction description, it was said that 'a brief war in Ireland ended all chance of a Stewart restoration.' That's probably a reference to Viscount Dundee's Rising in 1689, which was also fought on mainland Britain.
The Jacobite units would require a whole new faction, and to some extent still need a new tech tree.

Thanks for the link.

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sskrypteia
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posted 22 December 2008 05:48 EDT (US)     25 / 33       
I can't remember where but i recall something being said about rebellion in ireland. Perhaps it was on sharpe though... maybe i was drunk.... there are many reasons as to why i would be wrong, but i am fairly sure.

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