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posted 21 August 2013 12:09 EDT (US)   
Gooooooooood evening good evening good evening good evening good evening good evening and welcome, to The British Politics Thread!



This is where we shall discuss British politics and related matters - which is here defined as everything from The Falklands Problem, through rival claims to the Throne of the United Kingdom and commonwealth realms, to cream tea of a Thursday afternoon. I fancied it was about time we had one of these, just so as to avoid using the Party thread for everything; and this topic comes up quite regularly there *cough* every other post by me or Scruff *cough*.

Please sit down, have some tea, and do tell us whatever it may be that is on your mind - there's a good chap!

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EDORIX
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posted 20 May 2014 07:05 EDT (US)     51 / 57  
I'm pr much gonna look at a poll of "who is second behind UKIP" and vote for them.

One thing I don't really get - even if UKIP win 100% of the vote, having all UKIP MEPs won't bring a referendum on Europe any sooner. Even if you're totally anti-EU voting in a party to represent us in Europe who have no interest in working with Europe in any capactiy seems... kinda nonsensical.

house won this
posted 21 May 2014 09:36 EDT (US)     52 / 57  
I was going to bring up dear old Mr Farage again, yes. Slightly old news now, obviously.



Seems to me that while UKIP is precisely not racist, he's not doing a very good job of hiding the fact that he has a totally disproportionate dislike of Romanians. Romanians are obviously an immense threat to our great nation. (...) In any case he's rather hogging the media's political attention, it seems.
One thing I don't really get - even if UKIP win 100% of the vote, having all UKIP MEPs won't bring a referendum on Europe any sooner.
Yes, I've been trying to tell people the same thing... The more Kippers we pump into Brussels, the less relevant and connected Britain's MEPs become. It's patently stupid.
Every good thing that happens proves the Conservatives got it right
I love the Daily Mash, they're always spot on.

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I'm pr much gonna look at a poll of "who is second behind UKIP" and vote for them.
Labour and UKIP are neck and neck at around 27% each, with the Tories on 23%, the Lib Dems 10% and Greens 8%. Although it goes against my better judgment I might actually vote Labour. It's another ridiculous disproportionate PR victory for UKIP either way. However, from an EU rather than a domestic perspective, if you want reform the Conservatives are the best bet because they're part of the wider EU reformist group, the AECR. Remember it's proportional representation, so being the biggest is not the be-all and end-all.

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EDORIX
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[This message has been edited by Lord Eddie (edited 05-21-2014 @ 02:41 PM).]

posted 27 May 2014 02:27 EDT (US)     53 / 57  
Well, when it comes to Europe Ukip won a fair number, but in the council ones labour pretty much picked up the most without being actual runaway winners. Ukip got a few seats in some London boroughs, and nothing in most of the rest of the big cities, and then some gains in Rotherham-apparently that was where a couple were denied adoption because they were Ukip voters. Greens did okish too- seems like a protest vote to me at first glance rather than the dawn of a new party...

And I shall go Softly into the Night Taking my Dreams As will You
posted 27 May 2014 03:53 EDT (US)     54 / 57  
but in the council ones labour pretty much picked up the most without being actual runaway winners
I see a lot of "Labour did bad" reports but it looked to me like they pretty much cleaned up. I am no expert, but I don't really see how that point of view is wrong beyond "they could of done better maybe" - they got a whole bunch of extra seats and control of a lot of councils.

In regards to the council elections it looks way more like Ukip had a shitty result because they don't have control of any council anywhere.

house won this
posted 27 May 2014 08:06 EDT (US)     55 / 57  
I thought Labour did rather well - certainly picked up speed since the last round. I think the analysts are thinking "too little, too late" for the opposition at this stage before a general election.
Greens did okish too- seems like a protest vote to me at first glance rather than the dawn of a new party...
Their election campaign was about the most insipid I have ever seen. Still interesting that they are ahead of the Lib Dems. Are we in fact playing with two primary and three secondary parties now - one far (social) Left, one weak centre and one far (social) Right...?

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EDORIX
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[This message has been edited by Lord Eddie (edited 05-27-2014 @ 08:11 AM).]

posted 27 May 2014 13:34 EDT (US)     56 / 57  
It's depressing in Scotland that some folk are portraying the UKIP seat as a victory for Better Together. Not the best party to be associated with from my point of view.

I also find it funny that the UKIP MEPs will literally not do their jobs. Therefore aren't they the same as benefit scroungers, except paid a lot more?
posted 29 May 2014 11:21 EDT (US)     57 / 57  
It's depressing in Scotland that some folk are portraying the UKIP seat as a victory for Better Together. Not the best party to be associated with from my point of view.
I hadn't thought of this angle. I like to think it might take more than mere rhetoric to sway the "undecided" vote - in the hopeful imagining that these are a rationalising, well-educated group...

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EDORIX
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